From darren at darrenduncan.net Mon Feb 2 15:22:19 2009 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Mon Feb 2 15:27:50 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Tue, 2009 Feb 3rd, 7pm - February RCSS+VPM meeting Message-ID: <4987802B.2040902@darrenduncan.net> Greetings, This message is to announce the February meeting of the Recreational Computer Science Society, which this month is being held joint with the Victoria Perl Mongers. It is being held Tuesday, February 3, 7pm, at UVIC in the ECS (Engineering Computer Science) building, exact room TBD but should be on the ground floor. Darren Duncan is giving the talk, a summary of which follows the dashed line. After the meeting, we will quite likely adjourn to Maude Hunter's for the usual drinks and late dinner/snacks. Hope to see you there. -- Darren Duncan ---------------------------------------- Darren Duncan will give a talk on a personal project, the new Perl module Set::Relation, which implements a standalone portion of the new programming language Muldis D that Darren created. See http://search.cpan.org/dist/Set-Relation/ to see said module with documentation or to download it. It is functional and can be used right now; though some features are missing, the most important ones are present, and the rest should be implemented within a few days of the talk, if not beforehand. Set::Relation provides a simple Perl-native facility for an application to organize and process information using the relational model of data, without having to employ a separate DBMS, and without having to employ a whole separate sub-language (such as Muldis Rosetta does). Rather, it is integrated a lot more into the Perl way of doing things, and you use it much like a Perl array or hash, or like some other third-party Set:: modules available for Perl. This is a standalone Perl 5 object class that represents a Muldis D quasi-relation value, and its methods implement all the Muldis D relational operators. A simple working example: use Set::Relation; my $r1 = Set::Relation->new( members => [ [ 'x', 'y' ], [ [ 4, 7 ], [ 3, 2 ], ] ] ); my $r2 = Set::Relation->new( members => [ { 'y' => 5, 'z' => 6 }, { 'y' => 2, 'z' => 1 }, { 'y' => 2, 'z' => 4 }, ] ); my $r3 = $r1->join( $r2 ); my $r3_as_nfmt_perl = $r3->members(); my $r3_as_ofmt_perl = $r3->members( 1 ); # Then $r3_as_nfmt_perl contains: # [ # { 'x' => 3, 'y' => 2, 'z' => 1 }, # { 'x' => 3, 'y' => 2, 'z' => 4 }, # ] # And $r3_as_ofmt_perl contains: # [ [ 'x', 'y', 'z' ], [ # [ 3, 2, 1 ], # [ 3, 2, 4 ], # ] ] This talk will focus on describing the features of Set::Relation, discussing what the module does, how you could use it, such as to accomplish tasks directly in your program that you might otherwise offload to a SQL DBMS or other tool, and will go into detail on how the module is designed and works, including a source code walk through. The talk will also shed some light on other larger projects of Darren and others. This talk has no prepared slide show or handouts, and any visuals will be the module source as well as white/chalk-board diagrams. Questions are encouraged at any time, and can so time can be focused on the areas you are most interested in. From bsirna at pinetreeline.org Tue Feb 3 07:11:32 2009 From: bsirna at pinetreeline.org (brent sirna) Date: Tue Feb 3 07:11:47 2009 Subject: [Discuss] February's meeting Message-ID: <1233673892.25665.17.camel@bsirna-desktop> Title: Wireless Trouble Shooting Clinic Location: Engineering/Computer Science Building, room 130 Summary: At this meeting we will attempt to resolve a problem with a laptop that has a wireless issue. Some examples of this would be: unable to connect to a network, no Linux driver for the card, unable to connect to a secure router. If you plan to attend with a laptop it would be helpful if we could get some advanced information regarding your laptop. If you could email to the discus list the following information: 1) The Manufacture of the Laptop and the model 2) A description of the issue 3) a capture of the following commands output from the console 4) Has your laptop ever connected using wireless ? 5) If you have been able to connect what operating system did it work in ( IE. earlier version of Linux, windows ) ? 6) Any other information you may have. lspci lsusb lspcmcia We make no guarantees that we can get you wireless working, but we will definitively give it a try. Hope to see you there. From richard.body at shaw.ca Tue Feb 3 15:52:55 2009 From: richard.body at shaw.ca (Richard Body) Date: Tue Feb 3 15:52:29 2009 Subject: [Discuss] February's meeting In-Reply-To: <1233673892.25665.17.camel@bsirna-desktop> References: <1233673892.25665.17.camel@bsirna-desktop> Message-ID: <1233705175.1704.14.camel@msi> On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 07:11 -0800, brent sirna wrote: > Title: Wireless Trouble Shooting Clinic > Location: Engineering/Computer Science Building, room 130 > The meeting is next Tuesday, 2009 February 10, at 7pm (not today). Most VLUGers already knew that, since our general meetings are always the second Tuesday of each month. And you ou can always check on time and location by looking at VLUGs website: vlug.org , and clicking on the link to "General Meetings". I wanted to remind attendees of the date, since I got it mixed up a few months ago. From joansjoy at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 16:47:53 2009 From: joansjoy at gmail.com (Joan McIlmoyl Cleghorn) Date: Tue Feb 3 16:47:55 2009 Subject: [Discuss] February's meeting Message-ID: <1ad3bfe40902031647g29a9e2b4mce209c24adc6d867@mail.gmail.com> As requested, here's my info in preparation for the Wireless Fest. 1. Sony VAIO VGN FS745P/H, Hardware Config Code PCG-7D2L 2. Unable to successfully install Network Manager, thus making it impossible to connect wirelessly 3.joanmc@vaio2:~$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM/GMS/910GML Express Processor to DRAM Controller (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM Express PCI Express Root Port (rev 03) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 03) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev 03) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev 03) 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 03) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev d3) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 03) 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) IDE Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce Go 6200/6400] (rev a1) 06:03.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI7420 CardBus Controller 06:03.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments PCI7x20 1394a-2000 OHCI Two-Port PHY/Link-Layer Controller 06:03.3 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCI7420/7620 Combo CardBus, 1394a-2000 OHCI and SD/MS-Pro Controller 06:04.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05) 06:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82562ET/EZ/GT/GZ - PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller Mobile (rev 03) joanmc@vaio2:~$ joanmc@vaio2:~$ lsusb Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0f62:1001 Acrox Technologies Co., Ltd Targus Mini Trackball Optical Mouse Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub joanmc@vaio2:~$ joanmc@vaio2:~$ lspcmcia Socket 0 Bridge: [yenta_cardbus] (bus ID: 0000:06:03.0) joanmc@vaio2:~$ joanmc@vaio2:~$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM/GMS/910GML Express Processor to DRAM Controller (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM Express PCI Express Root Port (rev 03) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 03) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev 03) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev 03) 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 03) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev d3) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 03) 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) IDE Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce Go 6200/6400] (rev a1) 06:03.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI7420 CardBus Controller 06:03.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments PCI7x20 1394a-2000 OHCI Two-Port PHY/Link-Layer Controller 06:03.3 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCI7420/7620 Combo CardBus, 1394a-2000 OHCI and SD/MS-Pro Controller 06:04.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05) 06:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82562ET/EZ/GT/GZ - PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller Mobile (rev 03) joanmc@vaio2:~$ joanmc@vaio2:~$ lsusb Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0f62:1001 Acrox Technologies Co., Ltd Targus Mini Trackball Optical Mouse Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub joanmc@vaio2:~$ joanmc@vaio2:~$ lspcmcia Socket 0 Bridge: [yenta_cardbus] (bus ID: 0000:06:03.0) joanmc@vaio2:~$ 4. Yes. 5. I can currently connect wirelessly using Win XP Pro and was able to connect in Ubuntu Studio 8.04 after installing Network Manager. Since upgrading to 8.10, I'm unable to install Network Manager properly thus unable to connect wirelessly. 6. Clearly the issue is with the installation of Network Manager in Ubuntu Studio 8.10 I shall be there on Tuesday complete with my VAIO. Thanks so much for doing this! 8-) Joan > > > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:11:32 -0800 > From: brent sirna > Subject: [Discuss] February's meeting > To: vlug > Message-ID: <1233673892.25665.17.camel@bsirna-desktop> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Title: Wireless Trouble Shooting Clinic > Location: Engineering/Computer Science Building, room 130 > > Summary: At this meeting we will attempt to resolve a problem with a > laptop that has a wireless issue. Some examples of this would be: unable > to connect to a network, no Linux driver for the card, unable to connect > to a secure router. If you plan to attend with a laptop it would be > helpful if we could get some advanced information regarding your laptop. > If you could email to the discus list the following information: > > 1) The Manufacture of the Laptop and the model > 2) A description of the issue > 3) a capture of the following commands output from the console > 4) Has your laptop ever connected using wireless ? > 5) If you have been able to connect what operating system did it work in > ( IE. earlier version of Linux, windows ) ? > 6) Any other information you may have. > > lspci > lsusb > lspcmcia > > We make no guarantees that we can get you wireless working, but we will > definitively give it a try. > > Hope to see you there. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > End of Discuss Digest, Vol 54, Issue 1 > ************************************** > -- Joan McIlmoyl Cleghorn, U.E. in Beautiful Saseenos near Sooke & Victoria British Columbia joansjoy@gmail.com or joanmc@joansjoy.ca www.joansjoy.ca From jabfield at shaw.ca Tue Feb 3 16:57:40 2009 From: jabfield at shaw.ca (John Blomfield) Date: Tue Feb 3 16:56:51 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Saturday 7th. Feb Linux SIG Message-ID: <4988E804.4080304@shaw.ca> This is to remind everyone that the Linux SIG for beginners will be held as usual at the BB&C Club House, on February, 7th at 9.30. (First Saturday of the Month). Topic this month is "Fixing Linux when it doesn't 'work out of the box' ". See BB&C website. www.bbc.org John Blomfield From dpfrey at shaw.ca Tue Feb 3 23:11:24 2009 From: dpfrey at shaw.ca (David Frey) Date: Tue Feb 3 23:11:29 2009 Subject: [Discuss] linux tool to further compress mp3 ? In-Reply-To: <200901272239.01882.bakshi12@gmail.com> References: <200901272239.01882.bakshi12@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902032311.24346.dpfrey@shaw.ca> On Tuesday 27 January 2009 9:09:00 am J.Bakshi wrote: > Dear list, > > I'm looking for a tool in linux which can compress mp3 further to reduce > it's size. There are already such tool like cool edit pro,super etc.. in > windows. What may be the equivalent in Linux ? > > Kindly suggest. > Thanks I just used soundKonverter for the first time today to convert a bunch of flac music into mp3 for my portable player. I was pretty impressed. From lggagnon at uniserve.com Wed Feb 4 14:37:24 2009 From: lggagnon at uniserve.com (Larry Gagnon) Date: Wed Feb 4 14:39:36 2009 Subject: [Discuss] VLUG February Meeting Message-ID: A friendly reminder that the next VLUG meeting is this coming Tuesday, Feb 10th at 7PM, Room 130, ECS Bldg, UVic. At this meeting we will attempt to resolve laptop wireless problems. Some examples of this would be unable to connect to a network, no linux driver for the card or unable to connect to a secure router. If you plan to attend with a laptop it would be helpful if we could get some advanced information regarding your laptop so please email the discuss list with your laptop info (see www.vlug.org for more info). There should also be a brief discussion of Linux wireless shell tools such as iwconfig, iwlist and ndiswrapper. Furthermore, we do not yet have a presenter lined up for the March metting, so if anyone out there has a topic(s) they can present please let me know. Thanks....Larry Gagnon From wmstrome at shaw.ca Thu Feb 5 07:13:51 2009 From: wmstrome at shaw.ca (Murray Strome) Date: Thu Feb 5 07:13:21 2009 Subject: [Discuss] mcalib and ccmath for Pantone Huey for LINUX Message-ID: <498B022F.9040109@shaw.ca> Hi, I have found some references to support for the Pantone Huey for monitor calibration for LINUX. The program "mcalib" is supposed to work, but it requires several things as prerequisites. Most of these can be picked up from the Kubuntu/Ubuntu repositories. However, one requirement is "ccmath". I tried to download it (a compressed file), extracted it and then tried to follow the instructions to install it. The first problem was easy to fix. First step was to run "mathlibs.sh" -- I had to chmod +x to make it executable. However, when I ran it on my 64 bit version of Kubuntu, I got hundreds of errors. It is possible part of the problem was that I selected "yes" for Intel (maybe that is for 32 bit only). If I select "No", I have no idea what to do from there (something about bit order for processor). Has anyone successfully installed ccmath on 64 bit LINUX? Thanks. Murray From lwiddif-vlug at nexus.spydernet.com Thu Feb 5 11:29:23 2009 From: lwiddif-vlug at nexus.spydernet.com (Lionel Widdifield) Date: Thu Feb 5 11:29:28 2009 Subject: [Discuss] mcalib and ccmath for Pantone Huey for LINUX In-Reply-To: <498B022F.9040109@shaw.ca> References: <498B022F.9040109@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20090205192923.GA14400@arakis.spydernet.com> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 07:13:51AM -0800, Murray Strome wrote: > However, one requirement is "ccmath". I tried to download it (a > compressed file), extracted it and then tried to follow the instructions > to install it. The first problem was easy to fix. First step was to run > "mathlibs.sh" -- I had to chmod +x to make it executable. Something to note: Chmod +x a shell script simply allows the system to read the first line and run the program specified with the shell script as the first argument. Instead of chmod, you can just use the shell to execute the shell script #sh mathlibs.sh > However, when I ran it on my 64 bit version of Kubuntu, I got hundreds of > errors. It is possible part of the problem was that I selected "yes" for > Intel (maybe that is for 32 bit only). If I select "No", I have no idea > what to do from there (something about bit order for processor). > > Has anyone successfully installed ccmath on 64 bit LINUX? My Gentoo machine has an ebuild (script to download/compile/install) for ccmath ## src_compile() { # if it is amd64 we doesn't support intels use amd64 && yes n | ./makelibs.sh } ## So yes somebody has built ccmath on 64bit, it appears you need to select No. Probably 32bit mmx/sse opcodes in the source. -- Lionel Widdifield [] Spydernet Resources [] P.O. Box 5412 lwiddif-sig@spydernet.com [] Victoria BC, Canada V8R 6S4 From stanfish at shaw.ca Thu Feb 5 14:31:54 2009 From: stanfish at shaw.ca (SJF) Date: Thu Feb 5 14:31:57 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Re: Google Earth Message-ID: <498B68DA.3010403@shaw.ca> I need some help with this please. I downloaded GoogleEarthLinux.bin from the Google download page but I don't know how to activate it to install Google earth. A pointer to an appropriate how to page would help. Doesn't sem to be anything that I can find in the Ubuntu help or on the Google download page. Thanks, Stan Fisher. From jeremy at truesolutions.ca Thu Feb 5 15:06:44 2009 From: jeremy at truesolutions.ca (Jeremy Kiffiak) Date: Thu Feb 5 15:06:50 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Re: Google Earth In-Reply-To: <498B68DA.3010403@shaw.ca> References: <498B68DA.3010403@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <99831254-C122-4F2C-A22D-C20074056276@truesolutions.ca> Stan, Open up a Terminal window and execute the installer. So, for example, if the installer was in "~/Downloads" you would type the following at the command line. # ~/Downloads/GoogleEarthLinux.bin That should get the installation process started. Good luck! :-) Jeremy On 5-Feb-09, at 2:31 PM, SJF wrote: > I need some help with this please. I downloaded GoogleEarthLinux.bin > from the Google download page but I don't know how to activate it to > install Google earth. A pointer to an appropriate how to page would > help. Doesn't sem to be anything that I can find in the Ubuntu help > or on the Google download page. > Thanks, > Stan Fisher. > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss From ray_bon at telus.net Thu Feb 5 16:08:53 2009 From: ray_bon at telus.net (Ray L. Bon) Date: Thu Feb 5 16:09:01 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Re: Google Earth In-Reply-To: <99831254-C122-4F2C-A22D-C20074056276@truesolutions.ca> References: <498B68DA.3010403@shaw.ca> <99831254-C122-4F2C-A22D-C20074056276@truesolutions.ca> Message-ID: <20090205160853.1a228788@earth> you may also need to make this file executable. $ chmod +x ~/Downloads/GoogleEarthLinux.bin On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:06:44 -0800 Jeremy Kiffiak wrote: > > Stan, > > Open up a Terminal window and execute the installer. So, for example, > if the installer was in "~/Downloads" you would type the following at > the command line. > > # ~/Downloads/GoogleEarthLinux.bin > > That should get the installation process started. Good luck! :-) > > Jeremy > > > On 5-Feb-09, at 2:31 PM, SJF wrote: > > > I need some help with this please. I downloaded GoogleEarthLinux.bin > > from the Google download page but I don't know how to activate it to > > install Google earth. A pointer to an appropriate how to page would > > help. Doesn't sem to be anything that I can find in the Ubuntu help > > or on the Google download page. > > Thanks, > > Stan Fisher. > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss@vlug.org > > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss From stanfish at shaw.ca Thu Feb 5 17:51:57 2009 From: stanfish at shaw.ca (stanfish) Date: Thu Feb 5 17:52:04 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Re: Google Earth In-Reply-To: <20090205160853.1a228788@earth> References: <498B68DA.3010403@shaw.ca> <99831254-C122-4F2C-A22D-C20074056276@truesolutions.ca> <20090205160853.1a228788@earth> Message-ID: <498B97BD.5040605@shaw.ca> Thanks Jeremy and Ray...that worked perfectly as far as the install was concerned but since it is an Aspire one netbook that I'm trying to install it to, I think that the screen must be too small and when Google earth tries to load ... it gets to the point where it is about to show the earth sphere and then fails (flashes off). Thanks again, I'll know how to deal with a *.bin file now. Stan Fisher Ray L. Bon wrote: > you may also need to make this file executable. > > $ chmod +x ~/Downloads/GoogleEarthLinux.bin > > > On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:06:44 -0800 > Jeremy Kiffiak wrote: > >> Stan, >> >> Open up a Terminal window and execute the installer. So, for example, >> if the installer was in "~/Downloads" you would type the following at >> the command line. >> >> # ~/Downloads/GoogleEarthLinux.bin >> >> That should get the installation process started. Good luck! :-) >> >> Jeremy >> >> >> On 5-Feb-09, at 2:31 PM, SJF wrote: >> >>> I need some help with this please. I downloaded GoogleEarthLinux.bin >>> from the Google download page but I don't know how to activate it to >>> install Google earth. A pointer to an appropriate how to page would >>> help. Doesn't sem to be anything that I can find in the Ubuntu help >>> or on the Google download page. >>> Thanks, >>> Stan Fisher. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@vlug.org >>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@vlug.org >> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From ray_bon at telus.net Thu Feb 5 18:30:56 2009 From: ray_bon at telus.net (Ray L. Bon) Date: Thu Feb 5 18:31:01 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Re: Google Earth In-Reply-To: <498B97BD.5040605@shaw.ca> References: <498B68DA.3010403@shaw.ca> <99831254-C122-4F2C-A22D-C20074056276@truesolutions.ca> <20090205160853.1a228788@earth> <498B97BD.5040605@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20090205183056.57b55f22@earth> i just started it and the window size was about 950x650. i also installed it into my home directory (i keep an apps folder for this purpose, also used for trying out software before making a system wide install). i do not recall what options existed in the installation to specify a target directory. anyway, the problem may be related to permissions if you installed as root (su). when run as regular user, googleearth may be trying to access/write a file that is only accessible by root (this should not be the case but you never know). you might try installing it as a regular user into your home directory (or some temp) and running that one. remember to cd to the install directory to ensure you execute the desired file. if the install file will not allow you to select a directory as a target or it insists you run as root, try to download a tar.gz version instead. they sometimes have no installation procedure other than untarring in a selected directory. in which case you will definitely have to cd to the install location to run. On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:51:57 -0800 stanfish wrote: > > Thanks Jeremy and Ray...that worked perfectly as far as the install was > concerned but since it is an Aspire one netbook that I'm trying to > install it to, I think that the screen must be too small and when Google > earth tries to load ... it gets to the point where it is about to show > the earth sphere and then fails (flashes off). > Thanks again, I'll know how to deal with a *.bin file now. > Stan Fisher > > Ray L. Bon wrote: > > you may also need to make this file executable. > > > > $ chmod +x ~/Downloads/GoogleEarthLinux.bin > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:06:44 -0800 > > Jeremy Kiffiak wrote: > > > >> Stan, > >> > >> Open up a Terminal window and execute the installer. So, for example, > >> if the installer was in "~/Downloads" you would type the following at > >> the command line. > >> > >> # ~/Downloads/GoogleEarthLinux.bin > >> > >> That should get the installation process started. Good luck! :-) > >> > >> Jeremy > >> > >> > >> On 5-Feb-09, at 2:31 PM, SJF wrote: > >> > >>> I need some help with this please. I downloaded GoogleEarthLinux.bin > >>> from the Google download page but I don't know how to activate it to > >>> install Google earth. A pointer to an appropriate how to page would > >>> help. Doesn't sem to be anything that I can find in the Ubuntu help > >>> or on the Google download page. > >>> Thanks, > >>> Stan Fisher. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Discuss mailing list > >>> Discuss@vlug.org > >>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> Discuss@vlug.org > >> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss@vlug.org > > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss From stanfish at shaw.ca Thu Feb 5 21:14:50 2009 From: stanfish at shaw.ca (stanfish) Date: Thu Feb 5 21:15:01 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Re: Google Earth In-Reply-To: <20090205183056.57b55f22@earth> References: <498B68DA.3010403@shaw.ca> <99831254-C122-4F2C-A22D-C20074056276@truesolutions.ca> <20090205160853.1a228788@earth> <498B97BD.5040605@shaw.ca> <20090205183056.57b55f22@earth> Message-ID: <498BC74A.9070908@shaw.ca> I will give that a try but in the meantime I updated a number of critical security files and lost my network connections, both wired and wireless. AAaaargh!!! Stan Fisher Ray L. Bon wrote: > i just started it and the window size was about 950x650. i also installed it > into my home directory (i keep an apps folder for this purpose, also used for > trying out software before making a system wide install). i do not recall what > options existed in the installation to specify a target directory. > anyway, the problem may be related to permissions if you installed as root > (su). when run as regular user, googleearth may be trying to access/write a > file that is only accessible by root (this should not be the case but you > never know). > you might try installing it as a regular user into your home directory (or some > temp) and running that one. > remember to cd to the install directory to ensure you execute the desired file. > > if the install file will not allow you to select a directory as a > target or it insists you run as root, try to download a tar.gz version > instead. they sometimes have no installation procedure other than untarring in > a selected directory. in which case you will definitely have to cd to the > install location to run. > > On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:51:57 -0800 > stanfish wrote: > >> Thanks Jeremy and Ray...that worked perfectly as far as the install was >> concerned but since it is an Aspire one netbook that I'm trying to >> install it to, I think that the screen must be too small and when Google >> earth tries to load ... it gets to the point where it is about to show >> the earth sphere and then fails (flashes off). >> Thanks again, I'll know how to deal with a *.bin file now. >> Stan Fisher >> >> Ray L. Bon wrote: >>> you may also need to make this file executable. >>> >>> $ chmod +x ~/Downloads/GoogleEarthLinux.bin >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:06:44 -0800 >>> Jeremy Kiffiak wrote: >>> >>>> Stan, >>>> >>>> Open up a Terminal window and execute the installer. So, for example, >>>> if the installer was in "~/Downloads" you would type the following at >>>> the command line. >>>> >>>> # ~/Downloads/GoogleEarthLinux.bin >>>> >>>> That should get the installation process started. Good luck! :-) >>>> >>>> Jeremy >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5-Feb-09, at 2:31 PM, SJF wrote: >>>> >>>>> I need some help with this please. I downloaded GoogleEarthLinux.bin >>>>> from the Google download page but I don't know how to activate it to >>>>> install Google earth. A pointer to an appropriate how to page would >>>>> help. Doesn't sem to be anything that I can find in the Ubuntu help >>>>> or on the Google download page. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Stan Fisher. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> Discuss@vlug.org >>>>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> Discuss@vlug.org >>>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@vlug.org >>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@vlug.org >> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From stanfish at shaw.ca Fri Feb 6 08:53:28 2009 From: stanfish at shaw.ca (SJF) Date: Fri Feb 6 08:53:41 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Re: Google Earth In-Reply-To: <498BC74A.9070908@shaw.ca> References: <498B68DA.3010403@shaw.ca> <99831254-C122-4F2C-A22D-C20074056276@truesolutions.ca> <20090205160853.1a228788@earth> <498B97BD.5040605@shaw.ca> <20090205183056.57b55f22@earth> <498BC74A.9070908@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <498C6B08.7060408@shaw.ca> I managed to get the wireless working, but I cannot get the wired connection to work and I get an error dialog box when the Eth0 icon is clicked that says the interface does not exist. There is only one Netbook usb port, and I presume the update that I did just before the networking problems began is to blame. I thought of replacing Network Manager but if I uninstall it (using Synaptic package manager), I don't know how to get it back without a network connection..and anyways it might not be Network Manager that is the problem but rather some part of the kernel update. Any suggestions as to how I should approach this? Thanks, Stan Fisher stanfish wrote: > I will give that a try but in the meantime I updated a number of > critical security files and lost my network connections, both wired and > wireless. AAaaargh!!! > Stan Fisher > > Ray L. Bon wrote: >> i just started it and the window size was about 950x650. i also >> installed it >> into my home directory (i keep an apps folder for this purpose, also >> used for >> trying out software before making a system wide install). i do not >> recall what >> options existed in the installation to specify a target directory. >> anyway, the problem may be related to permissions if you installed as >> root >> (su). when run as regular user, googleearth may be trying to >> access/write a >> file that is only accessible by root (this should not be the case but you >> never know). >> you might try installing it as a regular user into your home directory >> (or some >> temp) and running that one. >> remember to cd to the install directory to ensure you execute the >> desired file. >> >> if the install file will not allow you to select a directory as a >> target or it insists you run as root, try to download a tar.gz version >> instead. they sometimes have no installation procedure other than >> untarring in >> a selected directory. in which case you will definitely have to cd to the >> install location to run. >> On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:51:57 -0800 >> stanfish wrote: >> >>> Thanks Jeremy and Ray...that worked perfectly as far as the install >>> was concerned but since it is an Aspire one netbook that I'm trying >>> to install it to, I think that the screen must be too small and when >>> Google earth tries to load ... it gets to the point where it is about >>> to show the earth sphere and then fails (flashes off). >>> Thanks again, I'll know how to deal with a *.bin file now. >>> Stan Fisher >>> >>> Ray L. Bon wrote: >>>> you may also need to make this file executable. >>>> >>>> $ chmod +x ~/Downloads/GoogleEarthLinux.bin >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:06:44 -0800 >>>> Jeremy Kiffiak wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stan, >>>>> >>>>> Open up a Terminal window and execute the installer. So, for >>>>> example, if the installer was in "~/Downloads" you would type the >>>>> following at the command line. >>>>> >>>>> # ~/Downloads/GoogleEarthLinux.bin >>>>> >>>>> That should get the installation process started. Good luck! :-) >>>>> >>>>> Jeremy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5-Feb-09, at 2:31 PM, SJF wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I need some help with this please. I downloaded >>>>>> GoogleEarthLinux.bin from the Google download page but I don't >>>>>> know how to activate it to install Google earth. A pointer to an >>>>>> appropriate how to page would help. Doesn't sem to be anything >>>>>> that I can find in the Ubuntu help or on the Google download page. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Stan Fisher. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Discuss@vlug.org >>>>>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> Discuss@vlug.org >>>>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> Discuss@vlug.org >>>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@vlug.org >>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@vlug.org >> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From rgsteele at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 11:54:08 2009 From: rgsteele at gmail.com (Ryan Steele) Date: Fri Feb 6 12:02:20 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Re: Google Earth In-Reply-To: <498B68DA.3010403@shaw.ca> References: <498B68DA.3010403@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:31 PM, SJF wrote: > I need some help with this please. I downloaded GoogleEarthLinux.bin from > the Google download page but I don't know how to activate it to install > Google earth. A pointer to an appropriate how to page would help. Doesn't > sem to be anything that I can find in the Ubuntu help or on the Google > download page. There's an article about installing Google Earth in the Ubuntu help wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth Note that Google Earth is available in the Medibuntu repository. You may want to try installing it from there and see if that works better. More info about Medibuntu here: http://www.medibuntu.org/ If you want to go that route, you should probably uninstall your current installation of Google Earth first. Instructions are on the Ubuntu help wiki. -- Ryan Steele - rgsteele@gmail.com From richard.body at shaw.ca Fri Feb 6 12:11:35 2009 From: richard.body at shaw.ca (Richard Body) Date: Fri Feb 6 12:10:53 2009 Subject: [Discuss] VLUG February Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1233951095.13166.4.camel@msi> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 14:37 -0800, Larry Gagnon wrote: > If you plan to attend with a laptop it would be helpful > if we could get some advanced information regarding your laptop so please > email the discuss list with your laptop info (see www.vlug.org for more > info). > I've got a little ASUS pcEEE (2G Surf) that I got to network wirelessly by flanging about and munging a shell script. But I want to understand better how it's supposed to work (or how others do it). I've got no one specific operational problem that needs fixing, just a lot of stuff that could be done better, or confuses me. lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM/GMS/910GML Express Processor to DRAM Controller (rev 04) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04) 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 04) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 04) 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 04) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 04) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev 04) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev 04) 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 04) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 04) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev d4) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 04) 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 04) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 04) 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5007EG 802.11 b/g Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Technology Corp. L2 100 Mbit Ethernet Adapter (rev a0) >#=================end of lspci >>lsusb Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 005 Device 003: ID 0951:1606 Kingston Technology Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 002 Device 005: ID 045e:0040 Microsoft Corp. Wheel Mouse Optical Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 >#============end of lsusb lspcmcia bash: lspcmcia: command not found From stanfish at shaw.ca Fri Feb 6 12:18:37 2009 From: stanfish at shaw.ca (stanfish) Date: Fri Feb 6 12:18:45 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Re: Google Earth In-Reply-To: References: <498B68DA.3010403@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <498C9B1D.6090805@shaw.ca> Thanks, Stan Fisher Ryan Steele wrote: > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:31 PM, SJF wrote: >> I need some help with this please. I downloaded GoogleEarthLinux.bin from >> the Google download page but I don't know how to activate it to install >> Google earth. A pointer to an appropriate how to page would help. Doesn't >> sem to be anything that I can find in the Ubuntu help or on the Google >> download page. > > There's an article about installing Google Earth in the Ubuntu help wiki: > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth > > Note that Google Earth is available in the Medibuntu repository. You > may want to try installing it from there and see if that works better. > More info about Medibuntu here: > > http://www.medibuntu.org/ > > If you want to go that route, you should probably uninstall your > current installation of Google Earth first. Instructions are on the > Ubuntu help wiki. > From jeremy at truesolutions.ca Fri Feb 6 12:25:23 2009 From: jeremy at truesolutions.ca (Jeremy Kiffiak) Date: Fri Feb 6 12:25:29 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Re: Google Earth In-Reply-To: <498C6B08.7060408@shaw.ca> References: <498B68DA.3010403@shaw.ca> <99831254-C122-4F2C-A22D-C20074056276@truesolutions.ca> <20090205160853.1a228788@earth> <498B97BD.5040605@shaw.ca> <20090205183056.57b55f22@earth> <498BC74A.9070908@shaw.ca> <498C6B08.7060408@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Stan, You may want to confirm whether or not your ethernet device has been renamed for some reason during your recent update. Do and "ifconfig - a" from the command line and see what that gives you. Perhaps your old eth0 is now being referenced as eth1 for some reason. That happened to me at one point though I never got to the bottom of it. Jeremy On 6-Feb-09, at 8:53 AM, SJF wrote: > I managed to get the wireless working, but I cannot get the wired > connection to work and I get an error dialog box when the Eth0 icon > is clicked that says the interface does not exist. There is only one > Netbook usb port, and I presume the update that I did just before > the networking problems began is to blame. > I thought of replacing Network Manager but if I uninstall it (using > Synaptic package manager), I don't know how to get it back without a > network connection..and anyways it might not be Network Manager that > is the problem but rather some part of the kernel update. > Any suggestions as to how I should approach this? > Thanks, > Stan Fisher > > > stanfish wrote: >> I will give that a try but in the meantime I updated a number of >> critical security files and lost my network connections, both wired >> and wireless. AAaaargh!!! >> Stan Fisher >> Ray L. Bon wrote: >>> i just started it and the window size was about 950x650. i also >>> installed it >>> into my home directory (i keep an apps folder for this purpose, >>> also used for >>> trying out software before making a system wide install). i do not >>> recall what >>> options existed in the installation to specify a target directory. >>> anyway, the problem may be related to permissions if you installed >>> as root >>> (su). when run as regular user, googleearth may be trying to >>> access/write a >>> file that is only accessible by root (this should not be the case >>> but you >>> never know). >>> you might try installing it as a regular user into your home >>> directory (or some >>> temp) and running that one. >>> remember to cd to the install directory to ensure you execute the >>> desired file. >>> >>> if the install file will not allow you to select a directory as a >>> target or it insists you run as root, try to download a tar.gz >>> version >>> instead. they sometimes have no installation procedure other than >>> untarring in >>> a selected directory. in which case you will definitely have to cd >>> to the >>> install location to run. >>> On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:51:57 -0800 >>> stanfish wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Jeremy and Ray...that worked perfectly as far as the >>>> install was concerned but since it is an Aspire one netbook that >>>> I'm trying to install it to, I think that the screen must be too >>>> small and when Google earth tries to load ... it gets to the >>>> point where it is about to show the earth sphere and then fails >>>> (flashes off). >>>> Thanks again, I'll know how to deal with a *.bin file now. >>>> Stan Fisher >>>> >>>> Ray L. Bon wrote: >>>>> you may also need to make this file executable. >>>>> >>>>> $ chmod +x ~/Downloads/GoogleEarthLinux.bin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:06:44 -0800 >>>>> Jeremy Kiffiak wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Stan, >>>>>> >>>>>> Open up a Terminal window and execute the installer. So, for >>>>>> example, if the installer was in "~/Downloads" you would type >>>>>> the following at the command line. >>>>>> >>>>>> # ~/Downloads/GoogleEarthLinux.bin >>>>>> >>>>>> That should get the installation process started. Good luck! :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5-Feb-09, at 2:31 PM, SJF wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I need some help with this please. I downloaded >>>>>>> GoogleEarthLinux.bin from the Google download page but I >>>>>>> don't know how to activate it to install Google earth. A >>>>>>> pointer to an appropriate how to page would help. Doesn't sem >>>>>>> to be anything that I can find in the Ubuntu help or on the >>>>>>> Google download page. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Stan Fisher. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Discuss@vlug.org >>>>>>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Discuss@vlug.org >>>>>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> Discuss@vlug.org >>>>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> Discuss@vlug.org >>>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@vlug.org >>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@vlug.org >> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss From stanfish at shaw.ca Fri Feb 6 12:52:37 2009 From: stanfish at shaw.ca (SJF) Date: Fri Feb 6 12:52:50 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Re: Google Earth In-Reply-To: References: <498B68DA.3010403@shaw.ca> <99831254-C122-4F2C-A22D-C20074056276@truesolutions.ca> <20090205160853.1a228788@earth> <498B97BD.5040605@shaw.ca> <20090205183056.57b55f22@earth> <498BC74A.9070908@shaw.ca> <498C6B08.7060408@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <498CA315.5010903@shaw.ca> In looking through the Ubuntu upgrade forum there appears to be many netbook and laptop owners are afflicted with the same problem with the 2.6.27-11 kernel upgrade. Some have got their Ethernet back by dropping back to the previous Kernel but that did not work for me. No other fixes reported so far. I'm not sure what this means but here is the output: sjf@sjf-Aspire-1:~$ ifconfig -a eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1e:68:be:16:db UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:1710776403 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Interrupt:219 Base address:0x2000 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:1240 (1.2 KB) TX bytes:1240 (1.2 KB) Jeremy Kiffiak wrote: > Stan, > > You may want to confirm whether or not your ethernet device has been > renamed for some reason during your recent update. Do and "ifconfig -a" > from the command line and see what that gives you. Perhaps your old > eth0 is now being referenced as eth1 for some reason. That happened to > me at one point though I never got to the bottom of it. > > Jeremy > > > On 6-Feb-09, at 8:53 AM, SJF wrote: > >> I managed to get the wireless working, but I cannot get the wired >> connection to work and I get an error dialog box when the Eth0 icon is >> clicked that says the interface does not exist. There is only one >> Netbook usb port, and I presume the update that I did just before the >> networking problems began is to blame. >> I thought of replacing Network Manager but if I uninstall it (using >> Synaptic package manager), I don't know how to get it back without a >> network connection..and anyways it might not be Network Manager that >> is the problem but rather some part of the kernel update. >> Any suggestions as to how I should approach this? >> Thanks, >> Stan Fisher >> >> >> stanfish wrote: >>> I will give that a try but in the meantime I updated a number of >>> critical security files and lost my network connections, both wired >>> and wireless. AAaaargh!!! >>> Stan Fisher >>> Ray L. Bon wrote: >>>> i just started it and the window size was about 950x650. i also >>>> installed it >>>> into my home directory (i keep an apps folder for this purpose, also >>>> used for >>>> trying out software before making a system wide install). i do not >>>> recall what >>>> options existed in the installation to specify a target directory. >>>> anyway, the problem may be related to permissions if you installed >>>> as root >>>> (su). when run as regular user, googleearth may be trying to >>>> access/write a >>>> file that is only accessible by root (this should not be the case >>>> but you >>>> never know). >>>> you might try installing it as a regular user into your home >>>> directory (or some >>>> temp) and running that one. >>>> remember to cd to the install directory to ensure you execute the >>>> desired file. >>>> >>>> if the install file will not allow you to select a directory as a >>>> target or it insists you run as root, try to download a tar.gz version >>>> instead. they sometimes have no installation procedure other than >>>> untarring in >>>> a selected directory. in which case you will definitely have to cd >>>> to the >>>> install location to run. >>>> On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:51:57 -0800 >>>> stanfish wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Jeremy and Ray...that worked perfectly as far as the install >>>>> was concerned but since it is an Aspire one netbook that I'm trying >>>>> to install it to, I think that the screen must be too small and >>>>> when Google earth tries to load ... it gets to the point where it >>>>> is about to show the earth sphere and then fails (flashes off). >>>>> Thanks again, I'll know how to deal with a *.bin file now. >>>>> Stan Fisher >>>>> >>>>> Ray L. Bon wrote: >>>>>> you may also need to make this file executable. >>>>>> >>>>>> $ chmod +x ~/Downloads/GoogleEarthLinux.bin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:06:44 -0800 >>>>>> Jeremy Kiffiak wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Stan, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Open up a Terminal window and execute the installer. So, for >>>>>>> example, if the installer was in "~/Downloads" you would type >>>>>>> the following at the command line. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> # ~/Downloads/GoogleEarthLinux.bin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That should get the installation process started. Good luck! :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5-Feb-09, at 2:31 PM, SJF wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I need some help with this please. I downloaded >>>>>>>> GoogleEarthLinux.bin from the Google download page but I don't >>>>>>>> know how to activate it to install Google earth. A pointer to >>>>>>>> an appropriate how to page would help. Doesn't sem to be >>>>>>>> anything that I can find in the Ubuntu help or on the Google >>>>>>>> download page. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Stan Fisher. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Discuss@vlug.org >>>>>>>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Discuss@vlug.org >>>>>>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Discuss@vlug.org >>>>>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> Discuss@vlug.org >>>>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> Discuss@vlug.org >>>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@vlug.org >>> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@vlug.org >> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From lwiddif-vlug at nexus.spydernet.com Fri Feb 6 13:57:24 2009 From: lwiddif-vlug at nexus.spydernet.com (Lionel Widdifield) Date: Fri Feb 6 13:57:29 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Re: Google Earth In-Reply-To: References: <498B68DA.3010403@shaw.ca> <99831254-C122-4F2C-A22D-C20074056276@truesolutions.ca> <20090205160853.1a228788@earth> <498B97BD.5040605@shaw.ca> <20090205183056.57b55f22@earth> <498BC74A.9070908@shaw.ca> <498C6B08.7060408@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20090206215724.GA15358@arakis.spydernet.com> On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 12:25:23PM -0800, Jeremy Kiffiak wrote: > Perhaps your old eth0 is now being referenced as eth1 for some reason. > That happened to me at one point though I never got to the bottom of it. The udev subsystem can effect changes in the names of devices. All of the ??-persistent-*.rules files are used before the generator files. Thankfully we can edit them to change the naming scheme to our advantage. Below is one such file pulled from an old backup. As you can see if I were to remove the skge referenced card I would be suddenly stuck with an "eth3" nemesis:> cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules # program, probably run by the persistent-net-generator.rules rules file. # # You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single line. # MAC addresses must be written in lowercase. # PCI device 0x1186:0x4b01 (skge) SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:17:9a:ba:a7:66", NAME="eth0" # PCI device 0x1106:0x3065 (via-rhine) SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:0f:ea:cc:04:28", NAME="eth3" -- Lionel Widdifield [] Spydernet Resources [] P.O. Box 5412 lwiddif-sig@spydernet.com [] Victoria BC, Canada V8R 6S4 From stanfish at shaw.ca Fri Feb 6 15:02:30 2009 From: stanfish at shaw.ca (SJF) Date: Fri Feb 6 15:02:36 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Re: Google Earth In-Reply-To: <20090206215724.GA15358@arakis.spydernet.com> References: <498B68DA.3010403@shaw.ca> <99831254-C122-4F2C-A22D-C20074056276@truesolutions.ca> <20090205160853.1a228788@earth> <498B97BD.5040605@shaw.ca> <20090205183056.57b55f22@earth> <498BC74A.9070908@shaw.ca> <498C6B08.7060408@shaw.ca> <20090206215724.GA15358@arakis.spydernet.com> Message-ID: <498CC186.6070100@shaw.ca> I don't see any duplicate entry here but you may see something else that is significant. Here is the output: sjf@sjf-Aspire-1:~$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules # This file maintains persistent names for network interfaces. # See udev(7) for syntax. # # Entries are automatically added by the 75-persistent-net-generator.rules # file; however you are also free to add your own entries. # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8136 (r8169) SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:1e:68:be:16:db", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0" # PCI device 0x168c:0x001c (ath5k_pci) SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:22:69:3d:97:45", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="wlan*", NAME="wlan0" # PCI device 0x168c:0x001c (ath_pci) SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:22:69:3d:97:45", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="ath*", NAME="ath0" Lionel Widdifield wrote: > On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 12:25:23PM -0800, Jeremy Kiffiak wrote: > >> Perhaps your old eth0 is now being referenced as eth1 for some reason. >> That happened to me at one point though I never got to the bottom of it. > > The udev subsystem can effect changes in the names of devices. > > All of the ??-persistent-*.rules files are used before the generator files. > Thankfully we can edit them to change the naming scheme to our advantage. > > Below is one such file pulled from an old backup. > > As you can see if I were to remove the skge referenced card I would be > suddenly stuck with an "eth3" > > > nemesis:> cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules > # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules > # program, probably run by the persistent-net-generator.rules rules file. > # > # You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single line. > # MAC addresses must be written in lowercase. > > # PCI device 0x1186:0x4b01 (skge) > SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:17:9a:ba:a7:66", NAME="eth0" > > # PCI device 0x1106:0x3065 (via-rhine) > SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:0f:ea:cc:04:28", NAME="eth3" > > From wmstrome at shaw.ca Sat Feb 7 08:09:03 2009 From: wmstrome at shaw.ca (Murray Strome) Date: Sat Feb 7 08:08:13 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Sound problems with Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio In-Reply-To: <497D446C.6060509@shaw.ca> References: <4979C3BA.3020002@shaw.ca> <497A6230.7020908@shaw.ca> <1232767226.7206.0.camel@fragment> <497D446C.6060509@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <498DB21F.6090403@shaw.ca> SOLVED!!! (sort of) Murray Strome wrote: > Andrew Resch wrote: >> You could just add the module to the blacklist so that it isn't loaded >> on boot. Or.. you could disable the on-board sound in the BIOS. >> OK, I found a solution (still no idea how to make the Realtek HD Audio on-board sound work) that lets me use the PCI sound card. After unsuccessfully trying to figure out what to add to the blacklist, and being unable to see a way to disable the on-board sound in the BIOS, I did the following: $> man - k sound and one of the entries I found was: asoundconf On the basis of the information in the man page for asoundconf, which is pretty skimpy, I decided to try $> asoundconf list which gave the following: Names of available sound cards: NVidia AudioPCI I then did the following: $> asoundconf set-default-card AudioPCI I next went to System Settings > Sound Settings I tried the "Test Sound". It said settings had been changed, it then restarted the sound system twice, and finally, VOILA!!! the test sound was heard through the added PCI card. I hope this solution might help any others with the same or similar sound card problems. Murray From stanfish at shaw.ca Sun Feb 8 17:31:26 2009 From: stanfish at shaw.ca (SJF) Date: Sun Feb 8 17:31:30 2009 Subject: [Discuss] md5sums Message-ID: <498F876E.7090508@shaw.ca> Question: I have just downloaded ubuntu 8.10. Unfortunately I accidentally interrupted the transmission (knocked the router off the desk), which caused an interruption and when I plugged everything back in the download took up again. I want to check the integrity of the iso file but there does not seem to be a single md5 file with it. Does the download utility do the check automatically. If not how can I do the check? Thanks, Clumsy From rgsteele at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 17:36:47 2009 From: rgsteele at gmail.com (Ryan Steele) Date: Sun Feb 8 17:36:49 2009 Subject: [Discuss] md5sums In-Reply-To: <498F876E.7090508@shaw.ca> References: <498F876E.7090508@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:31 PM, SJF wrote: > Question: > I have just downloaded ubuntu 8.10. Unfortunately I accidentally interrupted > the transmission (knocked the router off the desk), which caused an > interruption and when I plugged everything back in the download took up > again. I want to check the integrity of the iso file but there does not seem > to be a single md5 file with it. Does the download utility do the check > automatically. If not how can I do the check? The MD5 sums are in this file: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/MD5SUMS Additionally, when you boot from the CD it has an option to perform an integrity check on the files on the CD. -- Ryan Steele - rgsteele@gmail.com From blurdesign at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 18:30:59 2009 From: blurdesign at gmail.com (Brian Burger) Date: Sun Feb 8 18:31:04 2009 Subject: [Discuss] md5sums In-Reply-To: References: <498F876E.7090508@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Ryan Steele wrote: > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:31 PM, SJF wrote: >> Question: >> I have just downloaded ubuntu 8.10. Unfortunately I accidentally interrupted >> the transmission (knocked the router off the desk), which caused an >> interruption and when I plugged everything back in the download took up >> again. I want to check the integrity of the iso file but there does not seem >> to be a single md5 file with it. Does the download utility do the check >> automatically. If not how can I do the check? > > The MD5 sums are in this file: > > http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/MD5SUMS > > Additionally, when you boot from the CD it has an option to perform an > integrity check on the files on the CD. If you did the download with BitTorrent, BT also includes it's own built-in errorchecking, and the protocol is designed to 'fix' (look for uncorrupted bits) of bad files. Brian warbard.ca From jabfield at shaw.ca Mon Feb 9 16:56:58 2009 From: jabfield at shaw.ca (John Blomfield) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:55:50 2009 Subject: [Discuss] External monitor with a laptop Message-ID: <4990D0DA.8090603@shaw.ca> I have used my laptop at U of Vic for a VLUG presentation without any noticeable problems of getting the projector to mirror the resolution and as far as I can remember mirror exactly what was on the laptop screen. However, the BB&C's projector is "of a certain age" and to date I have been unable to get it to work with my laptop. I am not sure what the maximum resolution is for the BB&C projector but I have been told it should handle 800x600 without problems. Unfortunately when I change my resolution on my laptop (running KDE, Debian or Fedora) using the KDE control center, it sets the projector image to 800x600 but blanks the laptop screen. This makes it difficult to demonstrate stuff from the laptop. After some research I found the "xrandr" command that allows me to change resolutions without loosing the laptop image and that's a great step forward as I can sync both screens at 800x600. I wrote this script "monitor_switcher" so I could switch between two resolutions. #!/bin/bash #when using dual montitors if xrandr | grep -q "LVDS connected 1280x800"; then xrandr --output LVDS --mode 800x600 --pos 0x0 --output VGA --mode 800x600 --pos 0x0 echo "set 800x600" else xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1280x800 --pos 0x0 --output VGA --mode 800x600 --pos 0x200 echo "set 1280x800" fi I can also turn off the external if necessary with: xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1280x800 --output VGA --off As yet I have only tested this with a 1280x1024 resolution LCD, not the BB&C projector. There is probably a better way of doing this, as in the case of the 1280x800 (laptop) and 800x600 (projector), the projector does not show the whole desktop but the 200 offset allows the bottom panel to be seen. It would be nice to have some scroll bars on the projector image. Also in the 800x600 with 800x600 case, the laptop wide-screen stretches (distorts) the image. Any ideas? John From darren at darrenduncan.net Tue Feb 10 00:41:46 2009 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Tue Feb 10 00:42:07 2009 Subject: [Discuss] ANNOUNCE - Set::Relation version 0.6.0 for Perl 5 Message-ID: <49913DCA.70509@darrenduncan.net> P.S. This is the same project I gave a talk on last week to RCSS/VPM; at that time some short term planned features were missing but now they are present. Also following feedback from said meeting, the current release is better explained as to its purpose etc. ---------- All, I am pleased to announce the first (widely announced, and the 9th actual) release of Set::Relation, the official/unembraced version 0.6.0 for Perl 5, on CPAN. You can see it now, with nicely HTMLized documentation, at: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Set-Relation/ A short summary description with synopsis code is further below in this message. While new, Set::Relation is effectively done (enough for a first major version), with a full feature set and with everything fully documented in POD, and you can start actually using it now. That said, this module is officially in alpha release status so you should take caution with it. While its API is unlikely to change much, and the code appears correct, a lot of it has not yet actually been executed, and the current test suite is almost empty. The module will probably work now but might have breaks. See further below if you'd like to help out with this module's future development. Also expected in the near future, though not today, is a corresponding version for Perl 6, which was intended from day one. The official discussion forums for Set::Relation currently are just the email based ones listed at http://mm.darrenduncan.net/mailman/listinfo and labeled 'muldis-db'; the FORUMS pod section in Relation.pm itself also lists these. Any protracted discussion following this announcement would ideally take place there, so it is easy to find aggregate information resulting from said discussions. As for replying in other forums, use your discretion as usual. No official IRC forums for Set::Relation or other Muldis database-related things exist yet, though in the near future I expect I would get one setup on perl.org or freenode.org, preferably I would want a logged channel. -------- Set::Relation provides a simple Perl-native facility for an application to organize and process information using the relational model of data, without having to employ a separate DBMS, and without having to employ a whole separate sub-language (such as Muldis Rosetta does). Rather, it is integrated a lot more into the Perl way of doing things, and you use it much like a Perl array or hash, or like some other third-party Set:: modules available for Perl. This is a standalone Perl 5 object class that represents a Muldis D quasi-relation value, and its methods implement all the Muldis D relational operators. A simple working example: use Set::Relation; my $r1 = Set::Relation->new( [ [ 'x', 'y' ], [ [ 4, 7 ], [ 3, 2 ], ] ] ); my $r2 = Set::Relation->new( [ { 'y' => 5, 'z' => 6 }, { 'y' => 2, 'z' => 1 }, { 'y' => 2, 'z' => 4 }, ] ); my $r3 = $r1->join( $r2 ); my $r3_as_nfmt_perl = $r3->members(); my $r3_as_ofmt_perl = $r3->members( 1 ); # Then $r3_as_nfmt_perl contains: # [ # { 'x' => 3, 'y' => 2, 'z' => 1 }, # { 'x' => 3, 'y' => 2, 'z' => 4 }, # ] # And $r3_as_ofmt_perl contains: # [ [ 'x', 'y', 'z' ], [ # [ 3, 2, 1 ], # [ 3, 2, 4 ], # ] ] This is the initial complement of public routines; besides the "new" constructor submethod, there are these 68 object methods: "clone", "export_for_new", "has_frozen_identity", "freeze_identity", "which", "members", "heading", "body", "slice", "attr", "evacuate", "insert", "delete", "degree", "is_nullary", "has_attrs", "attr_names", "cardinality", "is_empty", "is_member", "empty", "insertion", "deletion", "rename", "projection", "cmpl_projection", "wrap", "cmpl_wrap", "unwrap", "group", "cmpl_group", "ungroup", "transitive_closure", "restriction", "restriction_and_cmpl", "cmpl_restriction", "extension", "static_extension", "map", "summary", "is_identical", "is_subset", "is_proper_subset", "is_disjoint", "union", "exclusion", "intersection", "difference", "semidifference", "semijoin_and_diff", "semijoin", "join", "product", "quotient", "composition", "join_with_group", "rank", "limit", "substitution", "static_substitution", "subst_in_restr", "static_subst_in_restr", "subst_in_semijoin", "static_subst_in_semijoin", "outer_join_with_group", "outer_join_with_undefs", "outer_join_with_static_exten", "outer_join_with_exten". It is important to note that practically anything you can do in a SQL SELECT (and in various other kinds of SQL), for any vendor of DBMS, you can do with the Set::Relation routines (and ordinary Perl); in the short term a "how do I" kind of FAQ or tutorial will be made, but it doesn't exist yet; meanwhile you should be able to figure it out using the routines' reference documentation. For examples: 1. the "SELECT ... FROM $foo" query portion is handled by any of [projection, extension, rename, map, substitution, etc]; 2. the "WHERE" and "HAVING" clauses are handled by [restriction, semijoin, semidifference, etc] which includes "IN" and "NOT IN"; 3. the "GROUP BY" is handled by [group, cmpl_group, etc]; 4. aggregation operators combined with "GROUP BY" are handled by [summary, etc]; 5. ranking, sorting and quota queries like "RANK", "ORDER BY" and "LIMIT" are handled by [rank, limit, etc]; 6. inner joins are handled by [join, product, intersection, etc]; 7. outer joins are handled by the various [outer_join_*, etc]; 8. union, intersection, difference, etc are handled by the same; 9. "COUNT(*)" is handled by [cardinality]; 10. recursive queries are handled by [transitive_closure, etc]; 11. sub-queries are supported everywhere simply as the normal way of doing things; 12. other features like relational divide, composition, etc are given by [quotient, composition, etc]. Set::Relation is a generic tool and can be widely applied. It has been developed according to a rigorously thought out API and behaviour specification, and it should be easy to learn, to install and use, and to extend. But in the short term at least, this module is still assumed to be very un-optimized for its conceptually low level task of data crunching, and you may want to avoid it if your top concern is execution (CPU, RAM, etc) performance. Set::Relation is best used in situations where you either want to just get some correct solution up and working quickly (conserving developer time), such as because it is a prototype or proof of concept, or where your data set is relatively small, or where your task is one that is less time sensitive like a batch process. Some suggested uses for Set::Relation include applying it to help with: flat file processing, SQL generation, database APIs, testing database related code, teaching databases, and general list or set operations. See http://search.cpan.org/dist/Set-Relation/lib/Set/Relation.pm#Appropriate_Uses_For_Set::Relation for more details. Set::Relation's performance will be improved over time so some of these issues should go away later, or the sibling project Muldis::Rosetta (still under construction) will have much better performance anyway due to its greater complexity to address such matters. Set::Relation requires Perl 5.8.1+, Moose 0.68+, version.pm 0.74+, namespace::clean 0.09+, and List::MoreUtils 0.22+; it has no other direct external dependencies. This module is pure Perl and a single file. It is now maintained in a Git repository; see http://utsl.gen.nz/gitweb/?p=Set-Relation or the distribution's README file. If you like Set::Relation, either as it is now or as you see it becoming, and you would like to help improve it, I welcome any and all kinds of assistance as you would like to offer such. Probably the greatest help I can get if people want to is to supply test files to confirm correct behaviour and expose current or regression bugs; other Set:: modules or database-related modules may be an inspiration for copying/adapting tests from. I would also like to build up a set of usage examples and basic tutorials, meant to answer the sort of questions "how do I do this?". For example, within the context of a relational database represented as a Perl Hash whose elements are Set::Relation objects representing SQL/etc tables/relvars, I would like a number of brief problem descriptions, such as that provide example database schemas and data (multiple questions/examples can share the same schema/data), saying first in a sentence what a query is trying to find out, then example SQL/etc to do it; for each example I/we would then supply Perl code for how to do the same thing with Set::Relation; we have a side-by-side comparison. Otherwise, I invite feedback on all aspects of the module's design, implementation, and documentation. For example, What sorts of changes do you suggest to the criteria Set::Relation uses to determine whether 2 arbitrary Perl values are to be considered identical or not (that's a big one); what sorts of typical module serialization hooks should I or should I not be using as object identifiers? Is the documentation structured the best way it could be. Is the module making as much use of Moose's features as it can be, or making as much use of the lesser known power features of Perl 5 itself as it should be? Do you think details of the module's API or semantics should change, such as to better integrate it into typical or best practice ways of using Perl? What additional prior art such as other Perl modules should I be looking at, either that Set::Relation should use as a dependency, or that it should copy/adapt functionality or techniques from? How are you applying, or would you consider applying, Set::Relation to your work and what changes if any might help you adopt it more easily? Do you propose different internal syntax for the module's code, or propose a different factoring of the code? Can you suggest a better way to package the module; eg would you propose an alternative to the simple Makefile.PL? Do you propose a particular structure for the test suite? What about examples and tutorials; how might those best be organized and what sorts of things should they contain? What can you suggest for helping performance? And then there's Perl 6; do you have suggestions for particular Perl 6 features that should be exploited for Set::Relation's Perl 6 native version? Or do you have ideas for the Perl 6 language itself to adapt distinct Set::Relation features into Perl 6 itself as if a relation were just another generic collection type (which it is)? Note that the work done on Set::Relation and in improving it and testing it will later feed back into implementing Muldis::Rosetta, whose design overlaps. It is very helpful to me if Set::Relation can be made the best it can be, as soon as possible, so to make said feedback more timely. Thank you and have a good day. -- Darren Duncan From lggagnon at uniserve.com Tue Feb 10 10:11:15 2009 From: lggagnon at uniserve.com (lggagnon@uniserve.com) Date: Tue Feb 10 10:11:18 2009 Subject: [Discuss] VLUG meeting tonight Message-ID: <1234289475.4991c34307966@members.uniserve.com> A reminder - see http://www.vlug.org for details. Unfortunately I am in Edmonton for family reasons and will be unable to attend. Any volunteers for our March meeting presentations/discussions please email me. Larry lggagnon@uniserve.com From richard.body at shaw.ca Wed Feb 11 12:30:55 2009 From: richard.body at shaw.ca (Richard Body) Date: Wed Feb 11 12:30:28 2009 Subject: [Discuss] VLUG February Meeting In-Reply-To: <1233951095.13166.4.camel@msi> References: <1233951095.13166.4.camel@msi> Message-ID: <1234384255.5660.13.camel@msi> Brent Sirna gave a really good presentation about wireless networking, confronting practical issues and explaining some of the Linux utilities, facilities etc. you can use to troubleshoot your system. I got a lot out it. Unfortunately most other people whom I heard expressing interest, on this mailing-list and off, unexpectedly couldn't attend and so missed out on the benefits of Brent's hard work. I would enjoy hearing a repeat of his talk next month, if that's to the benefit of the non-attendees (and if Brent agrees). What do others think? Would you like to hear Brent give his talk on wireless troubleshooting at the March 10 general meeting? > On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 14:37 -0800, Larry Gagnon wrote: > > If you plan to attend with a laptop it would be helpful > > if we could get some advanced information regarding your laptop so please > > email the discuss list with your laptop info (see www.vlug.org for more > > info). > > On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 12:11 -0800, Richard Body wrote: > I've got a little ASUS pcEEE (2G Surf) that I got to network wirelessly > by flanging about and munging a shell script. But I want to understand > better how it's supposed to work (or how others do it). I've got no one > specific operational problem that needs fixing, just a lot of stuff that > could be done better, or confuses me. From gordon.craig at shaw.ca Wed Feb 11 16:09:01 2009 From: gordon.craig at shaw.ca (Gordon Craig) Date: Wed Feb 11 16:09:06 2009 Subject: [Discuss] VLUG February Meeting In-Reply-To: <1234384255.5660.13.camel@msi> References: <1233951095.13166.4.camel@msi> <1234384255.5660.13.camel@msi> Message-ID: <4993689D.6060509@shaw.ca> An excellent Idea! I wasn't able to come to the Feb. meeting; combination of Gung Hai Fat Choi and Be My Valentine -- a Chinese dinner sponsored by University of Toronto Alumni Association (on the very same night! D&&N! Anyway, briefly put, if Brent is interested in doing it again, I certainly will make a BIG effort to be there! Gordon. From dbarker at turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca Thu Feb 12 12:35:29 2009 From: dbarker at turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca (Deryk Barker) Date: Thu Feb 12 12:33:10 2009 Subject: [Discuss] MythTV In-Reply-To: <498DB21F.6090403@shaw.ca> References: <4979C3BA.3020002@shaw.ca> <497A6230.7020908@shaw.ca> <1232767226.7206.0.camel@fragment> <497D446C.6060509@shaw.ca> <498DB21F.6090403@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <49948811.4040103@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> I am considering making the plunge and getting a system to run MythTV on. Anyone locally doing this? Any recommendations? Specifically hardware: yes I have looked at the compatibility list at mythtv.org and other places; the one conclusion I draw is that having someone local who has experience is a good idea. Feel free to take this off list. deryk From takodono at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 12:45:50 2009 From: takodono at gmail.com (Jeremy Kiffiak) Date: Thu Feb 12 12:53:33 2009 Subject: [Discuss] MythTV In-Reply-To: <49948811.4040103@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> References: <4979C3BA.3020002@shaw.ca> <497A6230.7020908@shaw.ca> <1232767226.7206.0.camel@fragment> <497D446C.6060509@shaw.ca> <498DB21F.6090403@shaw.ca> <49948811.4040103@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> Message-ID: <1cba354e0902121245i42e23cdp1b86a61df180c87e@mail.gmail.com> Deryk, I have always had a great experience using Hauppauge (hop-pog) hardware. As far as which model to choose that will depend on your specific requirements: 1) Are you capturing analog or digital signals? (both?) 2) Are you planning on working with HD? 3) What kind of resolution do you plan on encoding? 4) Do you want to be able to record one stream while watching something different? 5) What about support for "picture in picture"? 6) What kind of bus on your motherboard do you have available? (PCI, PCI-X, PCIe) 6) What is your budget? I am sure there are more questions I could ask but these are a good start. If your requirements are fairly simple (analog, low resolution, no HD, capture of a single stream) then the PVR-250 is a great buy. However I was just looking at their website (http://www.hauppauge.com) and noticed the recent release of some newer hardware that looks very interesting. The listed suggested prices look very reasonable but of course those are in US dollars. As far as purchasing the hardware I have seen various models available at both London Drugs and Future Shop. I am sure other business carry them as well, those are the 2 stores that I frequent fairly regularly. I know there are some other VLUG lurkers who also use (or have used) MythTV in the past. Once you get things going I am sure a few of us will be able to help you work through any issues you may come across. Jeremy ps: Have you decided on any specific Linux distro? On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Deryk Barker wrote: > I am considering making the plunge and getting a system to run MythTV on. > > Anyone locally doing this? Any recommendations? Specifically hardware: yes I > have looked at the compatibility list at mythtv.org and other places; the > one conclusion I draw is that having someone local who has experience is a > good idea. > > Feel free to take this off list. > > deryk > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From dbarker at turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca Thu Feb 12 13:01:19 2009 From: dbarker at turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca (Deryk Barker) Date: Thu Feb 12 12:58:53 2009 Subject: [Discuss] MythTV In-Reply-To: <1cba354e0902121245i42e23cdp1b86a61df180c87e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4979C3BA.3020002@shaw.ca> <497A6230.7020908@shaw.ca> <1232767226.7206.0.camel@fragment> <497D446C.6060509@shaw.ca> <498DB21F.6090403@shaw.ca> <49948811.4040103@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> <1cba354e0902121245i42e23cdp1b86a61df180c87e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49948E1F.9050405@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> If this is not of sufficient interest I'll take it offlist, in the meantime... Jeremy Kiffiak wrote: > Deryk, > > I have always had a great experience using Hauppauge (hop-pog) > hardware. As far as which model to choose that will depend on your > specific requirements: > > 1) Are you capturing analog or digital signals? (both?) > analogue for now. > 2) Are you planning on working with HD? > Not now, but perhaps in the fullness of time (i.e. when there's some HD content actually worth watching). > 3) What kind of resolution do you plan on encoding? > Ummmmmmmmmm. > 4) Do you want to be able to record one stream while watching > something different? > Oh yes. > 5) What about support for "picture in picture"? > Nah. > 6) What kind of bus on your motherboard do you have available? (PCI, > PCI-X, PCIe) > Will be buying a new system. > 6) What is your budget? > My father died last year and left me some money. Exactly how much depends on the Pound/Cdn $ exchange rate (trust the UK currency to tank just when probate comes through). Let's just say that I will be prepared to spend enough to do the job right and not have to upgrade in a couple of years. I am very, VERY interested in having a quiet system and was quite surprised to discover recently that the people who make "the quietest PC we've tested" (SilentPCreview.com) are in Vancouver. There is no point in buying a system which is going to be louder than the HDVR we currently have in place. Thanks for the response. deryk From chenness at twistedself.com Thu Feb 12 13:13:15 2009 From: chenness at twistedself.com (Chris Hennessy) Date: Thu Feb 12 13:13:21 2009 Subject: [Discuss] MythTV In-Reply-To: <49948E1F.9050405@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> References: <4979C3BA.3020002@shaw.ca> <497A6230.7020908@shaw.ca> <1232767226.7206.0.camel@fragment> <497D446C.6060509@shaw.ca> <498DB21F.6090403@shaw.ca> <49948811.4040103@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> <1cba354e0902121245i42e23cdp1b86a61df180c87e@mail.gmail.com> <49948E1F.9050405@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> Message-ID: <8aca01c30902121313o7476ef77k1edefd4ed8f4f267@mail.gmail.com> > > I am very, VERY interested in having a quiet system and was quite surprised > to discover recently that the people who make "the quietest PC we've tested" > (SilentPCreview.com) are in Vancouver. There is no point in buying a system > which is going to be louder than the HDVR we currently have in place. > > I currently have a single system doing the backend and frontend on an old pieced together computer underneath my TV. It is running a P4 2.4 GHZ with 512 RAM. It has a couple discs, 300 and 250 GB. I have one dual tuner Hauppague PVR-500 dual tuner capture card. I run other frontends on my other computers in the house to watch other programs other places. that is my history. I have been running it for 2-3 years. The biggest issue is that at times I need more memory when mutltiple things try to run at the same time. A little bit more CPU would be good too. the other big thing is I have old IDE 66 drives. Running SATA II drives would be MUCH better. These suggestions for for the backend. I suggest that you get a seperate frontend. I am waiting for the Eee box b204 or 206. It is a little box with hdmi out, enough power to do the HD output. Decent audio and I htink it has a small battery backup. Link below. * http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/03/asus-eee-box-b204-b206-grows-an-hdmi-port-handles-high-def-ma/ * I would make sure you have gigabit etherenet too :) Kinda scattered response, but feel free to ask questions off list as well. Chris From jabfield at shaw.ca Thu Feb 12 14:37:06 2009 From: jabfield at shaw.ca (John Blomfield) Date: Thu Feb 12 14:35:48 2009 Subject: [Discuss] MythTV In-Reply-To: <49948E1F.9050405@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> References: <4979C3BA.3020002@shaw.ca> <497A6230.7020908@shaw.ca> <1232767226.7206.0.camel@fragment> <497D446C.6060509@shaw.ca> <498DB21F.6090403@shaw.ca> <49948811.4040103@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> <1cba354e0902121245i42e23cdp1b86a61df180c87e@mail.gmail.com> <49948E1F.9050405@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> Message-ID: <4994A492.60302@shaw.ca> I for one would like you to keep this going onlist as I am also interested in exploring MythTV in the future. In the past I believe Brent Sirna (VLUG pres) has given a meeting presentation on MythTV and we are hoping he will repeat it in the future. John Blomfield Deryk Barker wrote: > If this is not of sufficient interest I'll take it offlist, in the > meantime... > > Jeremy Kiffiak wrote: >> Deryk, >> >> I have always had a great experience using Hauppauge (hop-pog) >> hardware. As far as which model to choose that will depend on your >> specific requirements: >> >> 1) Are you capturing analog or digital signals? (both?) >> > analogue for now. >> 2) Are you planning on working with HD? >> > Not now, but perhaps in the fullness of time (i.e. when there's some > HD content actually worth watching). >> 3) What kind of resolution do you plan on encoding? >> > Ummmmmmmmmm. >> 4) Do you want to be able to record one stream while watching >> something different? >> > Oh yes. > >> 5) What about support for "picture in picture"? >> > Nah. >> 6) What kind of bus on your motherboard do you have available? (PCI, >> PCI-X, PCIe) >> > Will be buying a new system. >> 6) What is your budget? >> > My father died last year and left me some money. Exactly how much > depends on the Pound/Cdn $ exchange rate (trust the UK currency to > tank just when probate comes through). > > Let's just say that I will be prepared to spend enough to do the job > right and not have to upgrade in a couple of years. > > I am very, VERY interested in having a quiet system and was quite > surprised to discover recently that the people who make "the quietest > PC we've tested" (SilentPCreview.com) are in Vancouver. There is no > point in buying a system which is going to be louder than the HDVR we > currently have in place. > > Thanks for the response. > > deryk > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From dbarker at camosun.bc.ca Thu Feb 12 14:54:49 2009 From: dbarker at camosun.bc.ca (Deryk Barker) Date: Thu Feb 12 14:52:23 2009 Subject: [Discuss] MythTV In-Reply-To: <4994A492.60302@shaw.ca> References: <4979C3BA.3020002@shaw.ca> <497A6230.7020908@shaw.ca> <1232767226.7206.0.camel@fragment> <497D446C.6060509@shaw.ca> <498DB21F.6090403@shaw.ca> <49948811.4040103@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> <1cba354e0902121245i42e23cdp1b86a61df180c87e@mail.gmail.com> <49948E1F.9050405@turing.cs.camosun.bc.ca> <4994A492.60302@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <4994A8B9.4050801@camosun.bc.ca> John Blomfield wrote: > I for one would like you to keep this going onlist as I am also > interested in exploring MythTV in the future. In the past I believe > Brent Sirna (VLUG pres) has given a meeting presentation on MythTV and > we are hoping he will repeat it in the future. Sounds fair to me, let's keep it here. I was interested to read about the Eee box, as I had been wondering when/if someone would release something like this based on the Atom chip. I have happily been using an AMD Geode-based Koolu box (no longer made, alas) as a music server for some time. Wonderful and almost completely silent. Not enough horsepower for tv though. And if anyone's in the market for a NAS device I can heartily recommend the Infrant Ready NV+. Mind you, my 1.3TB box is already 65% full of music; I'll be getting another (bigger) box for video. deryk -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: dbarker@camosun.bc.ca | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | From d.f.armour at shaw.ca Fri Feb 13 22:11:40 2009 From: d.f.armour at shaw.ca (David Armour) Date: Fri Feb 13 18:11:48 2009 Subject: [Discuss] admin password screw-up Message-ID: <4996609C.7040701@shaw.ca> Hello list, I hope it's all right to ask this question here. Please re-direct me if it's not. This previous Thursday evening, having wondered all day at work about the four instances of my admin account (dave3) that the users command had earlier shown in my Ubuntu 8.10 terminal screen, I decided as a first step, that I might as well up-grade my password ... which I copied/ pasted into the password fields of the GUI. The program appeared to accept my changes, but as I immediately discovered when I tried to login using the new password that I couldn't. I now see via man 5 passwd that the password should consist of 8-24 characters, and not the 45 I pasted in. Eek! I have a second account with admin privileges (dfa2) on this machine, but assuming the admin account has the power to alter passwords at will, I don't know how to display the encrypted information in /etc/shadow. And I can't seem to locate any information on how I might revert my password back to a functioning one. Any ideas, suggestions, or hell, outright advice (!) on how best to hack my own machine? I'm also still puzzled why the list of 'users' on this single user (me!) box shows three more iterations of dfa2 logged in. I'm reasonably sure I haven't logged in more than once. Is this normal? Should I be concerned? dfa2@workhorse3:~$ sudo users [sudo] password for dfa2: dave3b dfa2 dfa2 zoe ## approximately 7:15 am dfa2@workhorse3:~$ sudo users [sudo] password for dfa2: dave3b dfa2 dfa2 dfa2 dfa2 zoe ## 9:15 pm! From Nixnik-sneaking at sneakEmail.com Fri Feb 13 22:37:43 2009 From: Nixnik-sneaking at sneakEmail.com (Patrick) Date: Fri Feb 13 18:38:01 2009 Subject: [Discuss] admin password screw-up In-Reply-To: <4996609C.7040701@shaw.ca> References: <4996609C.7040701@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20090213223743.3da6eb74@nix> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:11:40 -0800 David Armour wrote: > Hello list, > > I hope it's all right to ask this question here. Please re-direct me if > it's not. > > This previous Thursday evening, having wondered all day at work about > the four instances of my admin account (dave3) that the users command > had earlier shown in my Ubuntu 8.10 terminal screen, I decided as a > first step, that I might as well up-grade my password ... which I > copied/ pasted into the password fields of the GUI. The program appeared > to accept my changes, but as I immediately discovered when I tried to > login using the new password that I couldn't. I now see via man 5 passwd > that the password should consist of 8-24 characters, and not the 45 I > pasted in. Eek! Did you try the first 24 characters of your too-long password? > > I have a second account with admin privileges (dfa2) on this machine, > but assuming the admin account has the power to alter passwords at will, > I don't know how to display the encrypted information in /etc/shadow. > And I can't seem to locate any information on how I might revert my > password back to a functioning one. Any ideas, suggestions, or hell, > outright advice (!) on how best to hack my own machine? If you can change the password from dfa2, why not change the password from dfa2? For admin privileges, aren't you only required to give your own password [which you still know, in the case of dfa2]? If you have to give the root password for this, no problem; that one hasn't been changed... Or has it? I don't know about your `Users and Groups' type admin GUI, but in Xubuntu I don't need to supply the existing password for an account before changing it. But I do need root privileges. > > I'm also still puzzled why the list of 'users' on this single user (me!) > box shows three more iterations of dfa2 logged in. I'm reasonably sure I > haven't logged in more than once. Is this normal? Should I be concerned? > > dfa2@workhorse3:~$ sudo users > [sudo] password for dfa2: > dave3b dfa2 dfa2 zoe ## approximately 7:15 am > dfa2@workhorse3:~$ sudo users > [sudo] password for dfa2: > dave3b dfa2 dfa2 dfa2 dfa2 zoe ## 9:15 pm! I don't know. If you were logging in as dfa2 to mess with things, maybe those previous instances of you are only partially logged-out? When I do things on the console [Ctrl-Alt-F1 through -F6], uptime sometimes shows more users on than there really are. Again, I don't know why. Patrick. -- A wise person makes his own decisions, a weak one obeys public opinion. -- Chinese proverb From lwiddif-vlug at nexus.spydernet.com Sat Feb 14 10:15:39 2009 From: lwiddif-vlug at nexus.spydernet.com (Lionel Widdifield) Date: Sat Feb 14 06:16:51 2009 Subject: [Discuss] admin password screw-up In-Reply-To: <4996609C.7040701@shaw.ca> References: <4996609C.7040701@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20090214181539.GA22608@arakis.spydernet.com> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:11:40PM -0800, David Armour wrote: > I don't know how to display the encrypted information in /etc/shadow. > And I can't seem to locate any information on how I might revert my > password back to a functioning one. Any ideas, suggestions, or hell, > outright advice (!) on how best to hack my own machine? The stored password is a one-way hash. You can not change it back or view the original password. That said you can change it to whatever you wish. As root run # passwd NameOfAccountToChange ie password dfa2 > I'm also still puzzled why the list of 'users' on this single user (me!) > box shows three more iterations of dfa2 logged in. I'm reasonably sure I > haven't logged in more than once. Is this normal? Should I be concerned? One comes from each and every virtual tty entry and backgrounded processes, mine displays 17 instances and yes only me on this machine. -- Lionel Widdifield [] Spydernet Resources [] P.O. Box 5412 lwiddif-sig@spydernet.com [] Victoria BC, Canada V8R 6S4 From wmstrome at shaw.ca Sat Feb 14 19:27:21 2009 From: wmstrome at shaw.ca (Murray Strome) Date: Sat Feb 14 15:25:22 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Avidemux import video from DVD problem (Kubuntu 8.04 Message-ID: <49978B99.3070907@shaw.ca> I have been using Avidemux to import video from DVDs I make on my Phillips DVD recorder (from a Hi-8 Camcorder). Just as an aside, Pinnacle Studio cannot correctly import these DVDs (Pinnacle is trying to figure out why -- I sent them a sample problematic DVD). However, Avidemux works beautifully -- much faster than Pinnacle in Windows on the same computer -- that is it works perfectly the first time I after I reboot. Then, after I have dealt with the first DVD, when I try a second one, it gets some funny indexing errors and crashes. I can get around this by copying the .VOB files to the hard drive and opening them instead of trying to do it from the DVD. I suspect that there is something in Avidemux that "remembers" something about the first DVD, but doesn't reset itself after removing that one and putting in a new one. I know that there is at least one person on the list who is using Avidemux (because it was his recommendation that got me to try it). Does anyone know what might be happening, and how to cure it (rather than rebooting between each DVD)? The workaround is OK, but I could do that with Studio as well (except with Studio, I have to rename all the files to .mpg and import each one separately, whereas with Avidemux, I just open the first .VOB file and it takes care of the rest). However, that is an extra step I would prefer not to be forced to do. Thanks for any suggestions. Murray From bakshi12 at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 21:26:25 2009 From: bakshi12 at gmail.com (J.Bakshi) Date: Sat Feb 14 17:27:49 2009 Subject: [Discuss] How to secure pendrive ? Message-ID: <200902151056.25796.bakshi12@gmail.com> Dear list, I like to secure my 8GB pendrive. I like to make two 4GB partitons, one for puppy linux and one as left to use as pendrive. But I like to encrypt the partition having puppy so that it is even not possible to access that partition even from Linux. It should ask password before accessing that partition. Could any one give me a direction to achieve this ? thanks From kmurray at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 01:03:47 2009 From: kmurray at gmail.com (Ken Murray) Date: Sat Feb 14 21:03:52 2009 Subject: [Discuss] How to secure pendrive ? In-Reply-To: <200902151056.25796.bakshi12@gmail.com> References: <200902151056.25796.bakshi12@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 9:26 PM, J.Bakshi wrote: > Dear list, > > I like to secure my 8GB pendrive. > I like to make two 4GB partitons, one for puppy linux and one as left to use > as pendrive. But I like to encrypt the partition having puppy so that it is > even not possible to access that partition even from Linux. It should ask > password before accessing that partition. Could any one give me a direction > to achieve this ? Have a look at TrueCrypt. http://www.truecrypt.org -- Ken echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D4D465452snlb xq |dc From rgsteele at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 02:44:44 2009 From: rgsteele at gmail.com (Ryan Steele) Date: Sat Feb 14 22:51:26 2009 Subject: [Discuss] How to secure pendrive ? In-Reply-To: References: <200902151056.25796.bakshi12@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Ken Murray wrote: > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 9:26 PM, J.Bakshi wrote: >> Dear list, >> >> I like to secure my 8GB pendrive. >> I like to make two 4GB partitons, one for puppy linux and one as left to use >> as pendrive. But I like to encrypt the partition having puppy so that it is >> even not possible to access that partition even from Linux. It should ask >> password before accessing that partition. Could any one give me a direction >> to achieve this ? > > Have a look at TrueCrypt. http://www.truecrypt.org It's my understanding that TrueCrypt will only allow you to encrypt a system partition under Windows. [1] It may be possible to encrypt the partition using LUKS, though. The other possible complication is that Windows will not access more than one partition on a USB memory stick, though apparently there are ways to get around that. [2] So if the unencrypted partition needs to be accessible from Windows that partition would presumably have to be at the beginning of the drive. [1] http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=sys-encryption-supported-os [2] http://www.lancelhoff.com/multi-partition-a-usb-flash-drive-in-windows/ -- Ryan Steele - rgsteele@gmail.com From Nixnik-sneaking at sneakEmail.com Sun Feb 15 04:37:39 2009 From: Nixnik-sneaking at sneakEmail.com (Patrick) Date: Sun Feb 15 00:37:54 2009 Subject: [Discuss] How to secure pendrive ? In-Reply-To: References: <200902151056.25796.bakshi12@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090215043739.15628ffc@nix> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 02:44:44 -0800 Ryan Steele wrote: > On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Ken Murray wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 9:26 PM, J.Bakshi wrote: > >> Dear list, > >> > >> I like to secure my 8GB pendrive. > >> I like to make two 4GB partitons, one for puppy linux and one as left to use > >> as pendrive. But I like to encrypt the partition having puppy so that it is > >> even not possible to access that partition even from Linux. It should ask > >> password before accessing that partition. Could any one give me a direction > >> to achieve this ? > > > > Have a look at TrueCrypt. http://www.truecrypt.org > > It's my understanding that TrueCrypt will only allow you to encrypt a > system partition under Windows. [1] It may be possible to encrypt the > partition using LUKS, though. > > The other possible complication is that Windows will not access more > than one partition on a USB memory stick, though apparently there are > ways to get around that. [2] So if the unencrypted partition needs to > be accessible from Windows that partition would presumably have to be > at the beginning of the drive. That doesn't sound like a problem at all, if you wanted to hide the OS to begin with. As long as there's no visible `8GB' label on the pen-drive. > > [1] http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=sys-encryption-supported-os True, but; http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/supported-operating-systems.php Does the whole operating system really need to be encrypted, or just some sensitive files? If only files, what about three partitions? One for obvious, Windows-visible storage, another for Puppy, and an encrypted partition for cold storage? Or keep the third filesystem in a file in your Puppy home directory [the same way an ISO is a filesystem within a file]. http://www.truecrypt.org/images/docs/tutorial-v5.0-03.png By the way, under Linux, is there a sensible way to include TrueCrypt in the login and/or boot process? Seems an encrypted /home partition is what most people would be looking for, but if it's not already mounted at login... no configuration files, no desktop, no home directory for you. This could cause problems. :-\ > [2] http://www.lancelhoff.com/multi-partition-a-usb-flash-drive-in-windows/ But before we all get *too* secure... http://xkcd.com/538/ [and make sure to mouse-over this one, for the title text] Patrick. PS: No, I'm not making fun of anyone's right to privacy. Enjoy it, appreciate it, and have fun with it, but try to get all hung-up about it. -- When cryptography is outlawed, bayl pevzvanyf jvyy unir cevinpl. From rgsteele at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 12:55:25 2009 From: rgsteele at gmail.com (Ryan Steele) Date: Sun Feb 15 08:55:28 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Avidemux import video from DVD problem (Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <49978B99.3070907@shaw.ca> References: <49978B99.3070907@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Murray Strome wrote: > I have been using Avidemux to import video from DVDs I make on my Phillips > DVD recorder (from a Hi-8 Camcorder). Just as an aside, Pinnacle Studio > cannot correctly import these DVDs (Pinnacle is trying to figure out why -- > I sent them a sample problematic DVD). However, Avidemux works beautifully > -- much faster than Pinnacle in Windows on the same computer -- that is it > works perfectly the first time I after I reboot. Then, after I have dealt > with the first DVD, when I try a second one, it gets some funny indexing > errors and crashes. I can get around this by copying the .VOB files to the > hard drive and opening them instead of trying to do it from the DVD. > > I suspect that there is something in Avidemux that "remembers" something > about the first DVD, but doesn't reset itself after removing that one and > putting in a new one. I know that there is at least one person on the list > who is using Avidemux (because it was his recommendation that got me to try > it). > > Does anyone know what might be happening, and how to cure it (rather than > rebooting between each DVD)? Just out of curiosity, have you tried a different DVD-ROM drive? The fact that rebooting your computer between DVDs fixes the problem but simply restarting the program does not indicates to me that it might be an issue with the drive. If you don't have a spare DVD-ROM drive to try, you might check if there is updated firmware for your drive. -- Ryan Steele - rgsteele@gmail.com From irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca Sun Feb 15 13:27:29 2009 From: irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Sun Feb 15 09:27:35 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Debian Lenny released Message-ID: For details, see http://lwn.net/Articles/319401/. It's an "interesting" time for Debian desktop users like yours truly. For now, I am going to stick with "lenny" rather than Debian testing (a.k.a. squeeze). There are two reasons for this. First, there is a huge flux (e.g., almost 2500 packages being promoted to testing today according to http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/) of change right now in the testing version of Debian, and it will likely take at least a couple of months to sort out the critical bugs since the bugfix cycle means (a) figuring out the bug, (b) building the bugfixed package on all architectures where there are huge queues to do that just now, and then waiting at least 10 more days after the package is built and in unstable with no further critical bugs reported in the package _or any of its dependencies_, before the bugfixed version is promoted to testing. Second, the principal desktop software with new versions that I am looking forward to (X server 1.6 betas or release candidates and KDE-4.2) are not in testing yet. Those packages are in Debian experimental, but haven't yet been judged by their maintainers to be of good enough quality to submit them to the build queue for Debian unstable (where the automatic promotion mechanism will kick in to eventually make them available on Debian testing). Even if you assume those packages are going to be submitted to the unstable build queues in the next few days, my guess is it will take a couple of build iterations (and thus, a couple of months) to get them right for Debian unstable and thus allow them to be promoted to Debian testing. Searches on http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ are a good way of keeping track of exactly what is going on with experimental, unstable and testing for critical packages. For example, I got the above information about X server and KDE versions using searches for xserver-xorg-core and kdebase. My box uses integrated Intel graphics hardware. Waiting several more months for the X software update is probably a really good thing to do if you have such hardware. The X software stack for Intel graphics (now including the kernel, drm, mesa, X server, and X video Intel driver) is still in a huge state of flux with many serious bugs being fixed but also created by each version change to one of the X stack components). Fortunately, Debian users tend to be quite good about submitting bug reports for packages in Debian unstable, and Debian X maintainers quite good about responding to such reports. So my decision to update to the latest X stack will be guided by those bug reports. Alan __________________________ Alan W. Irwin Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state implementation for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting software package (plplot.org); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). __________________________ Linux-powered Science __________________________ From jabfield at shaw.ca Sun Feb 15 14:26:48 2009 From: jabfield at shaw.ca (John Blomfield) Date: Sun Feb 15 10:25:23 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Debian Lenny released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <499896A8.9080607@shaw.ca> Alan, As you know I have been running Debian (Lenny testing) for a number of weeks now, with your initial encouragement. Can I assume that my system, which I have regularly updated, is in fact identical to the "Official Release of Debian 5.0/Lenny? John Alan W. Irwin wrote: > For details, see http://lwn.net/Articles/319401/. > > It's an "interesting" time for Debian desktop users like yours truly. > > For now, I am going to stick with "lenny" rather than Debian testing > (a.k.a. > squeeze). There are two reasons for this. First, there is a huge flux > (e.g., almost 2500 packages being promoted to testing today according to > http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/) of change right now in the testing > version of > Debian, and it will likely take at least a couple of months to sort > out the > critical bugs since the bugfix cycle means (a) figuring out the bug, (b) > building the bugfixed package on all architectures where there are huge > queues to do that just now, and then waiting at least 10 more days > after the > package is built and in unstable with no further critical bugs > reported in > the package _or any of its dependencies_, before the bugfixed version is > promoted to testing. > > Second, the principal desktop software with new versions that I am > looking > forward to (X server 1.6 betas or release candidates and KDE-4.2) are > not in > testing yet. Those packages are in Debian experimental, but haven't > yet been > judged by their maintainers to be of good enough quality to submit > them to > the build queue for Debian unstable (where the automatic promotion > mechanism > will kick in to eventually make them available on Debian testing). > Even if > you assume those packages are going to be submitted to the unstable build > queues in the next few days, my guess is it will take a couple of build > iterations (and thus, a couple of months) to get them right for Debian > unstable and thus allow them to be promoted to Debian testing. > > Searches on http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ are a good way of keeping > track of > exactly what is going on with experimental, unstable and testing for > critical packages. For example, I got the above information about X > server > and KDE versions using searches for xserver-xorg-core and kdebase. > > My box uses integrated Intel graphics hardware. Waiting several more > months > for the X software update is probably a really good thing to do if you > have > such hardware. The X software stack for Intel graphics (now including the > kernel, drm, mesa, X server, and X video Intel driver) is still in a huge > state of flux with many serious bugs being fixed but also created by each > version change to one of the X stack components). Fortunately, Debian > users > tend to be quite good about submitting bug reports for packages in Debian > unstable, and Debian X maintainers quite good about responding to such > reports. So my decision to update to the latest X stack will be > guided by > those bug reports. > > Alan > __________________________ > Alan W. Irwin > > Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and > Astronomy, > University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). > > Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state > implementation > for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting > software > package (plplot.org); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the > Loads of > Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project > (lbproject.sf.net). > __________________________ > > Linux-powered Science > __________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From dustin at at88mph.com Sun Feb 15 14:55:48 2009 From: dustin at at88mph.com (Dustin N. Jenkins) Date: Sun Feb 15 10:55:50 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Debian Lenny released In-Reply-To: <499896A8.9080607@shaw.ca> References: <499896A8.9080607@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <49989D74.5070609@at88mph.com> You betcha! You're connected to security.debian.org in your APT sources, right? If so, then all good. Dustin John Blomfield wrote: > Alan, > As you know I have been running Debian (Lenny testing) for a number of > weeks now, with your initial encouragement. Can I assume that my > system, which I have regularly updated, is in fact identical to the > "Official Release of Debian 5.0/Lenny? > > John > > > Alan W. Irwin wrote: >> For details, see http://lwn.net/Articles/319401/. >> >> It's an "interesting" time for Debian desktop users like yours truly. >> >> For now, I am going to stick with "lenny" rather than Debian testing >> (a.k.a. >> squeeze). There are two reasons for this. First, there is a huge flux >> (e.g., almost 2500 packages being promoted to testing today according to >> http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/) of change right now in the testing >> version of >> Debian, and it will likely take at least a couple of months to sort >> out the >> critical bugs since the bugfix cycle means (a) figuring out the bug, (b) >> building the bugfixed package on all architectures where there are huge >> queues to do that just now, and then waiting at least 10 more days >> after the >> package is built and in unstable with no further critical bugs >> reported in >> the package _or any of its dependencies_, before the bugfixed version is >> promoted to testing. >> >> Second, the principal desktop software with new versions that I am >> looking >> forward to (X server 1.6 betas or release candidates and KDE-4.2) are >> not in >> testing yet. Those packages are in Debian experimental, but haven't >> yet been >> judged by their maintainers to be of good enough quality to submit >> them to >> the build queue for Debian unstable (where the automatic promotion >> mechanism >> will kick in to eventually make them available on Debian testing). >> Even if >> you assume those packages are going to be submitted to the unstable >> build >> queues in the next few days, my guess is it will take a couple of build >> iterations (and thus, a couple of months) to get them right for Debian >> unstable and thus allow them to be promoted to Debian testing. >> >> Searches on http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ are a good way of keeping >> track of >> exactly what is going on with experimental, unstable and testing for >> critical packages. For example, I got the above information about X >> server >> and KDE versions using searches for xserver-xorg-core and kdebase. >> >> My box uses integrated Intel graphics hardware. Waiting several more >> months >> for the X software update is probably a really good thing to do if >> you have >> such hardware. The X software stack for Intel graphics (now including >> the >> kernel, drm, mesa, X server, and X video Intel driver) is still in a >> huge >> state of flux with many serious bugs being fixed but also created by >> each >> version change to one of the X stack components). Fortunately, >> Debian users >> tend to be quite good about submitting bug reports for packages in >> Debian >> unstable, and Debian X maintainers quite good about responding to such >> reports. So my decision to update to the latest X stack will be >> guided by >> those bug reports. >> >> Alan >> __________________________ >> Alan W. Irwin >> >> Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and >> Astronomy, >> University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). >> >> Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state >> implementation >> for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting >> software >> package (plplot.org); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the >> Loads of >> Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project >> (lbproject.sf.net). >> __________________________ >> >> Linux-powered Science >> __________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@vlug.org >> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss From irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca Sun Feb 15 16:37:04 2009 From: irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Sun Feb 15 12:37:07 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Debian Lenny released In-Reply-To: <49989D74.5070609@at88mph.com> References: <499896A8.9080607@shaw.ca> <49989D74.5070609@at88mph.com> Message-ID: On 2009-02-15 14:55-0800 Dustin N. Jenkins wrote: > You betcha! You're connected to security.debian.org in your APT sources, > right? If so, then all good. Not necessarily. It depends on whether his APT sources say testing or lenny. There is now a huge distinction between lenny, the old testing version John was using which has now become an official release, and the brand new version of testing which has been assigned the unique name squeeze. I was actually thinking of John's situation (as well as my own) when I wrote the post. If John uses the name "testing" in /etc/apt/sources.list rather than "lenny" he would get all the huge number of changes that are going on now for the new testing version. It is his choice whether he follows that version or sticks with lenny, but my point was he should not make that choice accidentally because he used the generic name testing for his APT sources rather than a specific name. For myself, I will probably stick with lenny for a few months for the reasons I mentioned before switching to squeeze. Alan __________________________ Alan W. Irwin Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state implementation for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting software package (plplot.org); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). __________________________ Linux-powered Science __________________________ From jabfield at shaw.ca Sun Feb 15 17:36:11 2009 From: jabfield at shaw.ca (John Blomfield) Date: Sun Feb 15 13:34:43 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Debian Lenny released In-Reply-To: References: <499896A8.9080607@shaw.ca> <49989D74.5070609@at88mph.com> Message-ID: <4998C30B.9090100@shaw.ca> I just checked my list of repositories and I have them all set to Lenny so I guess I will leave things as they are and give "squeeze" a try in a few months time when things have settled down (on a separate partition). John Alan W. Irwin wrote: > On 2009-02-15 14:55-0800 Dustin N. Jenkins wrote: > >> You betcha! You're connected to security.debian.org in your APT >> sources, right? If so, then all good. > > Not necessarily. It depends on whether his APT sources say testing or > lenny. > There is now a huge distinction between lenny, the old > testing version John was using which has now become an official > release, and > the brand new version of testing which has been assigned the unique name > squeeze. I was actually thinking of John's situation (as well as my own) > when I wrote the post. > > If John uses the name "testing" in /etc/apt/sources.list rather than > "lenny" > he would get all the huge number of changes that are going on now for the > new testing version. It is his choice whether he follows that version or > sticks with lenny, but my point was he should not make that choice > accidentally because he used the generic name testing for his APT sources > rather than a specific name. For myself, I will probably stick with lenny > for a few months for the reasons I mentioned before switching to squeeze. > > Alan > __________________________ > Alan W. Irwin > > Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and > Astronomy, > University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). > > Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state > implementation > for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting > software > package (plplot.org); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the > Loads of > Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project > (lbproject.sf.net). > __________________________ > > Linux-powered Science > __________________________ > From gordon.craig at shaw.ca Sun Feb 15 18:33:03 2009 From: gordon.craig at shaw.ca (Gordon M. Craig) Date: Sun Feb 15 14:33:09 2009 Subject: [Discuss] weird interface on Firefox 3.0 Message-ID: <1234751583.18812.3.camel@bambi> Can anyone explain the screen interface of the new Firefox 3.0? It has no minimize, maximize and close buttons; I find it very irritating to not be able to minimize the window at least. Is there no way to have it use the traditional frame? Another thing about it is that you can't get at the Preferences; the screen comes up, after a couple of pushes on the button. But it lasts less than a second and is gone. Clicking on the screen does nothing. Pretty soon I'm going to be looking for another browser; IE7 looks pretty good by comparison! Gordon From wmstrome at shaw.ca Sun Feb 15 19:24:15 2009 From: wmstrome at shaw.ca (Murray Strome) Date: Sun Feb 15 15:22:03 2009 Subject: [Discuss] weird interface on Firefox 3.0 In-Reply-To: <1234751583.18812.3.camel@bambi> References: <1234751583.18812.3.camel@bambi> Message-ID: <4998DC5F.8040503@shaw.ca> Gordon M. Craig wrote: > Can anyone explain the screen interface of the new Firefox 3.0? It has > no minimize, maximize and close buttons; I find it very irritating to > not be able to minimize the window at least. Is there no way to have it > use the traditional frame? Another thing about it is that you can't get > at the Preferences; the screen comes up, after a couple of pushes on the > button. But it lasts less than a second and is gone. Clicking on the > screen does nothing. Pretty soon I'm going to be looking for another > browser; IE7 looks pretty good by comparison! > > Gordon > The only thing that I can think of is that something went wrong with your installation/upgrade. I am running Firefox 3.0.6 on Kubuntu 8.04 (with KDE 3) and it looks OK there. I also have it on another machine with KDE 4, and it looks OK there as well. Edit>Preferences works fine. The minimize, maximize and close buttons are all there and work. In fact, in appearance and behaviour, I don't see a lot of difference between Firefox 3.0.6 and earlier Firefox 2.x versions (except that I find 3 to be more stable). What distribution are you using? Murray From owain at armchairautosport.com Sun Feb 15 19:28:01 2009 From: owain at armchairautosport.com (Owain Davies) Date: Sun Feb 15 15:28:08 2009 Subject: [Discuss] weird interface on Firefox 3.0 In-Reply-To: <1234751583.18812.3.camel@bambi> References: <1234751583.18812.3.camel@bambi> Message-ID: F11? /Owain On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Gordon M. Craig wrote: > Can anyone explain the screen interface of the new Firefox 3.0? It has > no minimize, maximize and close buttons; I find it very irritating to > not be able to minimize the window at least. Is there no way to have it > use the traditional frame? Another thing about it is that you can't get > at the Preferences; the screen comes up, after a couple of pushes on the > button. But it lasts less than a second and is gone. Clicking on the > screen does nothing. Pretty soon I'm going to be looking for another > browser; IE7 looks pretty good by comparison! > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From steve.epp at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 19:30:05 2009 From: steve.epp at gmail.com (Steve Epp) Date: Sun Feb 15 15:30:17 2009 Subject: [Discuss] weird interface on Firefox 3.0 In-Reply-To: <1234751583.18812.3.camel@bambi> References: <1234751583.18812.3.camel@bambi> Message-ID: <4998DDBD.3000307@gmail.com> Gordon M. Craig wrote: > Can anyone explain the screen interface of the new Firefox 3.0? It has > no minimize, maximize and close buttons; Every once in a while the top bar will disappear. I'm able to restore it by selecting 'full screen' (in the View menu) then right-click on the top tool bar and select 'exit full screen mode'. Steve From gordon.craig at shaw.ca Sun Feb 15 19:57:42 2009 From: gordon.craig at shaw.ca (Gordon M. Craig) Date: Sun Feb 15 15:57:45 2009 Subject: [Discuss] weird interface on Firefox 3.0 Message-ID: <1234756662.19839.3.camel@bambi> Someone asked, in reply to my query, what distro I'm running. It's Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) . . . and it's not only an Intrepid Ibex, but an Irritating one too! I believe it was Murray; something happened to send your message "to a galaxy far, far away." If it was your message, Murray, could you resend it, or at least ask Luke Skywalker if he can find it? :-0 Gordon. From gordon.craig at shaw.ca Sun Feb 15 20:00:59 2009 From: gordon.craig at shaw.ca (Gordon Craig) Date: Sun Feb 15 16:01:01 2009 Subject: [Discuss] weird interface on Firefox 3.0 In-Reply-To: <1234756662.19839.3.camel@bambi> References: <1234756662.19839.3.camel@bambi> Message-ID: <4998E4FB.6020507@shaw.ca> Re Owain's suggestion: it gets half-way. Yes I get the familiar trio on the right of the screen. Only catch is that it does zilch. I still have to use cntrl-Q to get out, or click on Exit on the File menu. real mystery! Gordon. From gordon.craig at shaw.ca Sun Feb 15 20:04:42 2009 From: gordon.craig at shaw.ca (Gordon M. Craig) Date: Sun Feb 15 16:04:44 2009 Subject: [Discuss] weird interface on Firefox 3.0 In-Reply-To: <4998E4FB.6020507@shaw.ca> References: <1234756662.19839.3.camel@bambi> <4998E4FB.6020507@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1234757082.20174.2.camel@bambi> Computers can be mysterious beasts. Will that be the name of Ubuntu 12.10? Mysterious Marmot, or Mongoose? Anyway, Firefox is fixed and the usual controls are on the screen ok. I did press F11; perhaps that fixed it, otherwise it was some stray friend of Tux that did it. . . Thanks anyway to all who helped! Gordon. From wmstrome at shaw.ca Sun Feb 15 20:28:27 2009 From: wmstrome at shaw.ca (Murray Strome) Date: Sun Feb 15 16:26:15 2009 Subject: [Discuss] weird interface on Firefox 3.0 In-Reply-To: <1234751583.18812.3.camel@bambi> References: <1234751583.18812.3.camel@bambi> Message-ID: <4998EB6B.4070101@shaw.ca> Here is the message I sent earlier. Glad you got it fixed. Gordon M. Craig wrote: > Can anyone explain the screen interface of the new Firefox 3.0? It has > no minimize, maximize and close buttons; I find it very irritating to > not be able to minimize the window at least. Is there no way to have it > use the traditional frame? Another thing about it is that you can't get > at the Preferences; the screen comes up, after a couple of pushes on the > button. But it lasts less than a second and is gone. Clicking on the > screen does nothing. Pretty soon I'm going to be looking for another > browser; IE7 looks pretty good by comparison! > > Gordon > The only thing that I can think of is that something went wrong with your installation/upgrade. I am running Firefox 3.0.6 on Kubuntu 8.04 (with KDE 3) and it looks OK there. I also have it on another machine with KDE 4, and it looks OK there as well. Edit>Preferences works fine. The minimize, maximize and close buttons are all there and work. In fact, in appearance and behaviour, I don't see a lot of difference between Firefox 3.0.6 and earlier Firefox 2.x versions (except that I find 3 to be more stable). What distribution are you using? Murray From gordon.craig at shaw.ca Sun Feb 15 20:42:31 2009 From: gordon.craig at shaw.ca (Gordon M. Craig) Date: Sun Feb 15 16:42:35 2009 Subject: [Discuss] weird interface on Firefox 3.0 In-Reply-To: <4998EB6B.4070101@shaw.ca> References: <1234751583.18812.3.camel@bambi> <4998EB6B.4070101@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1234759352.20766.0.camel@bambi> Thanks Murray! good night. . . Gordon From jabfield at shaw.ca Sun Feb 15 22:22:22 2009 From: jabfield at shaw.ca (John Blomfield) Date: Sun Feb 15 18:20:54 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Webcams for Linux Message-ID: <4999061E.8090801@shaw.ca> This is just a follow up to my query a few weeks ago searching for a suitable webcam for Linux. This may add to the responses I received at that time and perhaps help someone trying to do the same thing. I found the following links useful in searching for webcams that have linux drivers: http://www.quickcamteam.net/devices http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html After much research I decided to take Ryan Steele's (see earlier thread) and look for a UVC standard Webcam. Victoria stores don't have much of a range of brands, most stores carry Microsoft and Logitech webcams, surprisingly Future Shop carries a few other brands as well. I was not keen to buy sight unseen online, as I prefer, if possible, to test hardware for Linux compatibility before parting with my money. I would caution anyone researching this topic that there is a lot of misleading and redundant information out there on the web, about all the things that don't work on various webcams and how to fix them by editing config files etc. However, I have found the following: UVC compatible webcams just need the "uvcvideo" driver module loaded. Unfortunately I thrashed around adding all sorts of packages in my search to get things working (Debian Lenny) before I discovered "uvcvideo" is actually part of the 2.6.26+ kernel and when you plug in the webcam's USB connector it automatically loads "uvcvideo module" and if your webcam has a built in microphone "snd_usb_audio" is also loaded. A lot of the "misinformation" out there probably relates to the situation before "uvcvideo" was included in the kernel. The bottom line is that UVC webcams should "just work" when you plug them in. (I may have installed a package that automatically loads usb devices but can't remember). If you run "lsmod" you will not find "uvcvideo" until after you plug in the usb. To test the webcam before you buy you just need to plug in and run an application like "cheese" or "luvcview". I found Camorama does not work with UVC. The most difficult part I found was to get the webcam's microphone working. The problem was the time it took for me to realize that I had to find an application that would recognize input from a usb microphone. I ended up buying a used Creative Live Cam Optia Pro (half price used from Boomers) and a Logitech Quickcam Pro 9000 from London Drugs. Both fairly high end products but compared to the others I tried, had superior colour and definition. The microphone issue was resolved once I had Skype up and running since its configuration allows you to choose and test the type of microphone input device. John Blomfield From bakshi12 at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 08:17:19 2009 From: bakshi12 at gmail.com (J.Bakshi) Date: Wed Feb 18 04:18:46 2009 Subject: [Discuss] How to secure pendrive ? In-Reply-To: <20090215043739.15628ffc@nix> References: <200902151056.25796.bakshi12@gmail.com> <20090215043739.15628ffc@nix> Message-ID: <200902182147.20030.bakshi12@gmail.com> Dear all, thanks a lot for your responses. Most of you are in favour of truecrypt though some of you have suggessted LUCKS. Ok first thing first. I have gone through truecrypt today. I have found some very cool feature like hidden volume and hidden OS. It really looks very very attractive to me. So I can now encrypt my first 4 GB with truecrypt and use it as pendribe. No problrm. But I like to use the rest of the 4 GB for hidden OS. YES !! hidden OS. Now the challange. GRUB has no support to de-crypt the truecrypt partition. Hence GRUB will be at the hidden volume to call the OS. Here I need one more boot-loader which can decrypt the hidden volume and call GRUB to finally boot OS. Is there any bootloader which can be installed at the MBR which understand the truecrypt volume ? Thanks to all of you once again for your suggestion so far.. :-) On Sunday 15 Feb 2009 6:07:39 pm Patrick wrote: > On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 02:44:44 -0800 > > Ryan Steele wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Ken Murray wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 9:26 PM, J.Bakshi wrote: > > >> Dear list, > > >> > > >> I like to secure my 8GB pendrive. > > >> I like to make two 4GB partitons, one for puppy linux and one as left > > >> to use as pendrive. But I like to encrypt the partition having puppy > > >> so that it is even not possible to access that partition even from > > >> Linux. It should ask password before accessing that partition. Could > > >> any one give me a direction to achieve this ? > > > > > > Have a look at TrueCrypt. http://www.truecrypt.org > > > > It's my understanding that TrueCrypt will only allow you to encrypt a > > system partition under Windows. [1] It may be possible to encrypt the > > partition using LUKS, though. > > > > The other possible complication is that Windows will not access more > > than one partition on a USB memory stick, though apparently there are > > ways to get around that. [2] So if the unencrypted partition needs to > > be accessible from Windows that partition would presumably have to be > > at the beginning of the drive. > > That doesn't sound like a problem at all, if you wanted to hide > the OS to begin with. As long as there's no visible `8GB' label > on the pen-drive. > > > [1] http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=sys-encryption-supported-os > > True, but; > http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/supported-operating-systems.php > > Does the whole operating system really need to be encrypted, or > just some sensitive files? If only files, what about three > partitions? One for obvious, Windows-visible storage, another > for Puppy, and an encrypted partition for cold storage? > > Or keep the third filesystem in a file in your Puppy home > directory [the same way an ISO is a filesystem within a file]. > > http://www.truecrypt.org/images/docs/tutorial-v5.0-03.png > > By the way, under Linux, is there a sensible way to include > TrueCrypt in the login and/or boot process? Seems an encrypted > /home partition is what most people would be looking for, but if > it's not already mounted at login... no configuration files, no > desktop, no home directory for you. > > This could cause problems. :-\ > > > [2] > > http://www.lancelhoff.com/multi-partition-a-usb-flash-drive-in-windows/ > > But before we all get *too* secure... > http://xkcd.com/538/ > > [and make sure to mouse-over this one, for the title text] > > > > Patrick. > > PS: No, I'm not making fun of anyone's right to privacy. Enjoy > it, appreciate it, and have fun with it, but try to get all > hung-up about it. From jeremy at truesolutions.ca Wed Feb 18 17:26:18 2009 From: jeremy at truesolutions.ca (Jeremy Kiffiak) Date: Wed Feb 18 13:26:41 2009 Subject: [Discuss] How to secure pendrive ? In-Reply-To: <200902182147.20030.bakshi12@gmail.com> References: <200902151056.25796.bakshi12@gmail.com> <20090215043739.15628ffc@nix> <200902182147.20030.bakshi12@gmail.com> Message-ID: TrueCrypt has it's very own boot loader to handle this. http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=hidden-operating-system On 18-Feb-09, at 8:17 AM, J.Bakshi wrote: > Dear all, > > thanks a lot for your responses. > Most of you are in favour of truecrypt though some of you have > suggessted > LUCKS. Ok first thing first. > > I have gone through truecrypt today. I have found some very cool > feature like > hidden volume and hidden OS. It really looks very very attractive to > me. So I > can now encrypt my first 4 GB with truecrypt and use it as pendribe. > No > problrm. But I like to use the rest of the 4 GB for hidden OS. > YES !! hidden > OS. Now the challange. GRUB has no support to de-crypt the truecrypt > partition. Hence GRUB will be at the hidden volume to call the OS. > Here I > need one more boot-loader which can decrypt the hidden volume and > call GRUB > to finally boot OS. Is there any bootloader which can be installed > at the MBR > which understand the truecrypt volume ? > > Thanks to all of you once again for your suggestion so far.. :-) > > > > > On Sunday 15 Feb 2009 6:07:39 pm Patrick wrote: >> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 02:44:44 -0800 >> >> Ryan Steele wrote: >>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Ken Murray >>> wrote: >>>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 9:26 PM, J.Bakshi >>>> wrote: >>>>> Dear list, >>>>> >>>>> I like to secure my 8GB pendrive. >>>>> I like to make two 4GB partitons, one for puppy linux and one as >>>>> left >>>>> to use as pendrive. But I like to encrypt the partition having >>>>> puppy >>>>> so that it is even not possible to access that partition even from >>>>> Linux. It should ask password before accessing that partition. >>>>> Could >>>>> any one give me a direction to achieve this ? >>>> >>>> Have a look at TrueCrypt. http://www.truecrypt.org >>> >>> It's my understanding that TrueCrypt will only allow you to >>> encrypt a >>> system partition under Windows. [1] It may be possible to encrypt >>> the >>> partition using LUKS, though. >>> >>> The other possible complication is that Windows will not access more >>> than one partition on a USB memory stick, though apparently there >>> are >>> ways to get around that. [2] So if the unencrypted partition needs >>> to >>> be accessible from Windows that partition would presumably have to >>> be >>> at the beginning of the drive. >> >> That doesn't sound like a problem at all, if you wanted to hide >> the OS to begin with. As long as there's no visible `8GB' label >> on the pen-drive. >> >>> [1] http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=sys-encryption-supported-os >> >> True, but; >> http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/supported-operating-systems.php >> >> Does the whole operating system really need to be encrypted, or >> just some sensitive files? If only files, what about three >> partitions? One for obvious, Windows-visible storage, another >> for Puppy, and an encrypted partition for cold storage? >> >> Or keep the third filesystem in a file in your Puppy home >> directory [the same way an ISO is a filesystem within a file]. >> >> http://www.truecrypt.org/images/docs/tutorial-v5.0-03.png >> >> By the way, under Linux, is there a sensible way to include >> TrueCrypt in the login and/or boot process? Seems an encrypted >> /home partition is what most people would be looking for, but if >> it's not already mounted at login... no configuration files, no >> desktop, no home directory for you. >> >> This could cause problems. :-\ >> >>> [2] >>> http://www.lancelhoff.com/multi-partition-a-usb-flash-drive-in-windows/ >> >> But before we all get *too* secure... >> http://xkcd.com/538/ >> >> [and make sure to mouse-over this one, for the title text] >> >> >> >> Patrick. >> >> PS: No, I'm not making fun of anyone's right to privacy. Enjoy >> it, appreciate it, and have fun with it, but try to get all >> hung-up about it. > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss From JeffTREast at telus.net Fri Feb 20 01:50:14 2009 From: JeffTREast at telus.net (Jeff East) Date: Thu Feb 19 21:50:24 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Q: daemon IP addresses Message-ID: <1LaS1O-2Rv-00@Tortuga> Just wondering. When I type "netstat -atun", I get my local services: Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:31416 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:631 0.0.0.0:* Why do ports tcp/22 (inetd/sshd) and udp/631 (cupsd) come up with a zeroed address, while tcp/631 (cupsd - same PID) and tcp/31416 (BOINC/Seti) give me the localhost IP address? --- "If you wanna reach the Co-op, boy, you gotta get by me." From sk at infinitepigeons.org Fri Feb 20 11:19:12 2009 From: sk at infinitepigeons.org (Steven Kurylo) Date: Fri Feb 20 07:19:19 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Q: daemon IP addresses In-Reply-To: <1LaS1O-2Rv-00@Tortuga> References: <1LaS1O-2Rv-00@Tortuga> Message-ID: <6d91d5d80902201119m4a4aa045g2e8e20a90dbfe545@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Jeff East wrote: > Just wondering. When I type "netstat -atun", I get my local services: > > Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State > tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:31416 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN > udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:631 0.0.0.0:* > > Why do ports tcp/22 (inetd/sshd) and udp/631 (cupsd) come up with a zeroed > address, while tcp/631 (cupsd - same PID) and tcp/31416 (BOINC/Seti) give me > the localhost IP address? Those are the address the process is listening on. Localhost is the localhost interface. 0.0.0.0 means all interfaces. From dbronaugh at linuxboxen.org Fri Feb 20 11:16:57 2009 From: dbronaugh at linuxboxen.org (David Bronaugh) Date: Fri Feb 20 07:21:53 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Q: daemon IP addresses In-Reply-To: <1LaS1O-2Rv-00@Tortuga> References: <1LaS1O-2Rv-00@Tortuga> Message-ID: <499F01A9.1000509@linuxboxen.org> 0.0.0.0 = any David Jeff East wrote: > Just wondering. When I type "netstat -atun", I get my local services: > > Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State > tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:31416 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN > udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:631 0.0.0.0:* > > Why do ports tcp/22 (inetd/sshd) and udp/631 (cupsd) come up with a zeroed > address, while tcp/631 (cupsd - same PID) and tcp/31416 (BOINC/Seti) give me > the localhost IP address? > > > --- > "If you wanna reach the Co-op, boy, you gotta get by me." > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mailscanner.linuxboxen.org/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=B77851380D8.9DBCE > > > > From alex.randell at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 11:43:47 2009 From: alex.randell at gmail.com (Alex Randell) Date: Fri Feb 20 07:43:51 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Canadian government eyes open source, asks for feedback Message-ID: <834b14810902201143w62972d05l9ef95fbd2ac18fc2@mail.gmail.com> Missed the deadline for submission already, but still interesting: An open door for open source? http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/02/12/tech-feds-open-source.html Canadian government eyes open source, asks for feedback: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/canadian-government-eyes-open-sources-asks-for-feedback.ars The actual Govt RFI: http://www.merx.com/English/SUPPLIER_Menu.Asp?WCE=Show&TAB=1&PORTAL=MERX&State=7&id=PW-%24%24EE-015-18733&FED_ONLY=0&hcode=Au64x22Vv9pVNE3IKtFp3Q%3D%3D A collective response to the RFI: http://openconcept.ca/blog/mgifford/response_to_pwgscs_no_charge_licensed_software_rfi Opinion piece: http://www.itworldcanada.com/a/Daily-News/f94ec09d-30be-446f-b085-6dbf8f025cec.html Cheers, Alex From JeffTREast at telus.net Sun Feb 22 02:05:21 2009 From: JeffTREast at telus.net (Jeff East) Date: Sat Feb 21 22:05:27 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Q: daemon IP addresses In-Reply-To: <20090220200003.A626111E6BC@ladybug.vlug.org> References: <20090220200003.A626111E6BC@ladybug.vlug.org> Message-ID: <1LbBD7-0vD-00@Tortuga> > Those are the address the process is listening on. Localhost is the > localhost interface. 0.0.0.0 means all interfaces. Duh, I should have got that. I thought I limited my CUPS service to localhost only - that UDP entry seems to suggest otherwise. Or is that another oddity of UDP? --- "If you wanna reach the Co-op, boy, you gotta get by me." From sk at infinitepigeons.org Sun Feb 22 07:49:23 2009 From: sk at infinitepigeons.org (Steven Kurylo) Date: Sun Feb 22 03:49:26 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Q: daemon IP addresses In-Reply-To: <1LbBD7-0vD-00@Tortuga> References: <20090220200003.A626111E6BC@ladybug.vlug.org> <1LbBD7-0vD-00@Tortuga> Message-ID: <6d91d5d80902220749s50c4ed21w6a327b93a0c4b1fa@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Jeff East wrote: >> Those are the address the process is listening on. Localhost is the >> localhost interface. 0.0.0.0 means all interfaces. > > Duh, I should have got that. > > I thought I limited my CUPS service to localhost only - that UDP entry seems > to suggest otherwise. Or is that another oddity of UDP? > No, its not an oddity. Cups is listening on all udp interfaces. From dustin at at88mph.com Mon Feb 23 11:15:44 2009 From: dustin at at88mph.com (Dustin N. Jenkins) Date: Mon Feb 23 07:15:48 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Linux Phone Dialer/Interceptor Message-ID: <49A2F5E0.4040307@at88mph.com> I'm currently using Fedora Core 8 on a 32-bit AMD Processor and it's working lovely. I have a serial US Robotics 56K Modem hooked up to it that my landline (desk) phone runs through. Is there any software out there that would allow me to use my USB headset and some kind of software dialer to turn my Linux box into a telephone using the 56K modem? It sounds weird and the only benefit I'm really seeking is to have a little notification on my screen for an incoming call without removing my headset to pick up my phone, plus I often don't hear my phone while listening to music, or to dial out without using my desk phone. It'd be nice to be able to do everything using my desktop computer. Any ideas? Thanks! Dustin From sk at infinitepigeons.org Mon Feb 23 11:46:20 2009 From: sk at infinitepigeons.org (Steven Kurylo) Date: Mon Feb 23 07:46:23 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Linux Phone Dialer/Interceptor In-Reply-To: <49A2F5E0.4040307@at88mph.com> References: <49A2F5E0.4040307@at88mph.com> Message-ID: <6d91d5d80902231146n70745a5eh8d36416cdec32b8@mail.gmail.com> Is your modem voice capable? Something like Kvoice may do what you want. You could also hook up vgetty, and script whatever you want from there. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Dustin N. Jenkins wrote: > I'm currently using Fedora Core 8 on a 32-bit AMD Processor and it's working > lovely. I have a serial US Robotics 56K Modem hooked up to it that my > landline (desk) phone runs through. > Is there any software out there that would allow me to use my USB headset > and some kind of software dialer to turn my Linux box into a telephone using > the 56K modem? It sounds weird and the only benefit I'm really seeking is > to have a little notification on my screen for an incoming call without > removing my headset to pick up my phone, plus I often don't hear my phone > while listening to music, or to dial out without using my desk phone. It'd > be nice to be able to do everything using my desktop computer. > > Any ideas? > Thanks! > Dustin > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Steven Kurylo From srichard47 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 23 11:43:24 2009 From: srichard47 at hotmail.com (Simone) Date: Mon Feb 23 07:48:46 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Linux Phone Dialer/Interceptor In-Reply-To: <49A2F5E0.4040307@at88mph.com> References: <49A2F5E0.4040307@at88mph.com> Message-ID: Skype might be a possibility, though it doesn't meet your current requirements. As well, you'd pay to phone landline or cell phones (cheap flat fee for NA). And alas one can't get a Canadian phone number rerouted to Skype (Skype rents out numbers in the US, UK, and several other countries, but not Canada). >From their website: * Hardware requirements * 1 Ghz processor or faster * 256 MB RAM. * 20 MB free disk space on your hard drive. * Microphone and speakers or headset. * Internet connection (broadband is best, GPRS is not supported for voice calls, and results may vary on a satellite connection). . * Video card driver with Xv support. * Software requirements * Qt 4.2.1+ * D-Bus 1.0.0 * libasound2 1.0.12 Technical details Version 2.0.0.72 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dustin N. Jenkins" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:15 AM To: Subject: [Discuss] Linux Phone Dialer/Interceptor > I'm currently using Fedora Core 8 on a 32-bit AMD Processor and it's > working lovely. I have a serial US Robotics 56K Modem hooked up to it > that my landline (desk) phone runs through. > Is there any software out there that would allow me to use my USB headset > and some kind of software dialer to turn my Linux box into a telephone > using the 56K modem? It sounds weird and the only benefit I'm really > seeking is to have a little notification on my screen for an incoming call > without removing my headset to pick up my phone, plus I often don't hear > my phone while listening to music, or to dial out without using my desk > phone. It'd be nice to be able to do everything using my desktop > computer. > > Any ideas? > Thanks! > Dustin > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From jeremy at truesolutions.ca Mon Feb 23 12:19:51 2009 From: jeremy at truesolutions.ca (Jeremy Kiffiak) Date: Mon Feb 23 08:28:31 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Linux Phone Dialer/Interceptor In-Reply-To: <49A2F5E0.4040307@at88mph.com> References: <49A2F5E0.4040307@at88mph.com> Message-ID: If you want something a little more "fancy" you could give one of the telephony projects a try (Asterisk, FreeSWITCH, etc). On 23-Feb-09, at 11:15 AM, Dustin N. Jenkins wrote: > I'm currently using Fedora Core 8 on a 32-bit AMD Processor and it's > working lovely. I have a serial US Robotics 56K Modem hooked up to > it that my landline (desk) phone runs through. > Is there any software out there that would allow me to use my USB > headset and some kind of software dialer to turn my Linux box into a > telephone using the 56K modem? It sounds weird and the only benefit > I'm really seeking is to have a little notification on my screen for > an incoming call without removing my headset to pick up my phone, > plus I often don't hear my phone while listening to music, or to > dial out without using my desk phone. It'd be nice to be able to do > everything using my desktop computer. > > Any ideas? > Thanks! > Dustin > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss From srichard47 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 23 13:25:00 2009 From: srichard47 at hotmail.com (Simone) Date: Mon Feb 23 09:25:20 2009 Subject: [Discuss] samba server distro? Message-ID: Hi everyone, Which distro is the best for a plain-vanilla samba server running on a P4? In particular, I've discarded resources hogs (ex., opensuse), install-everything (current slackware), user-bells-and-whistles (ex., ubuntu). Hopefully the distro is easy to configure manually (config files can be manually edited without the automated configuration tools getting confused or overwriting the edits). Perhaps an old slackware with current samba binary installed separately? Related, what's a good distro to use as a minimal server base (including current gcc and other build tools) so that any needed server apps (samba, apache, whatever) can be built from source? Thanks, Simone From vlug at langkamerit.com Mon Feb 23 13:33:55 2009 From: vlug at langkamerit.com (R. Langkamer) Date: Mon Feb 23 09:34:02 2009 Subject: [Discuss] samba server distro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49A31643.4060507@langkamerit.com> On 2/23/09 1:25 PM, Simone wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Which distro is the best for a plain-vanilla samba server running on a P4? In particular, I've discarded resources hogs (ex., opensuse), install-everything (current slackware), user-bells-and-whistles (ex., ubuntu). Hopefully the distro is easy to configure manually (config files can be manually edited without the automated configuration tools getting confused or overwriting the edits). Perhaps an old slackware with current samba binary installed separately? > > Related, what's a good distro to use as a minimal server base (including current gcc and other build tools) so that any needed server apps (samba, apache, whatever) can be built from source? > > Thanks, > Simone Curious for my own sake, did you look at ubuntu "general" (desktop edition) or the server edition (they have an alternate install disc as well)? -- Sincerely, R. Langkamer cross platform specialist Mac - Linux - windows Langkamer I.T. on-site/remote tutorials, support & training (T) 250.391.8972 (E) ruairi @ langkamerit . com From ray_bon at telus.net Mon Feb 23 13:40:20 2009 From: ray_bon at telus.net (Ray L. Bon) Date: Mon Feb 23 09:40:28 2009 Subject: [Discuss] samba server distro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090223134020.38609458@earth> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:25:00 -0800 "Simone" wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Which distro is the best for a plain-vanilla samba server running on a P4? > In particular, I've discarded resources hogs (ex., opensuse), > install-everything (current slackware), user-bells-and-whistles (ex., > ubuntu). Hopefully the distro is easy to configure manually (config files > can be manually edited without the automated configuration tools getting > confused or overwriting the edits). Perhaps an old slackware with current > samba binary installed separately? > > Related, what's a good distro to use as a minimal server base (including > current gcc and other build tools) so that any needed server apps (samba, > apache, whatever) can be built from source? > > Thanks, > Simone ubuntu jeos (juice) is an absolute minimal server. you can then install apps/source with apt-get. it is also available as a vmware appliance in case you want to go that route. From jeremy at truesolutions.ca Mon Feb 23 14:29:04 2009 From: jeremy at truesolutions.ca (Jeremy Kiffiak) Date: Mon Feb 23 10:29:08 2009 Subject: [Discuss] samba server distro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83904D08-BB46-4124-8FF7-7FB26EEB535D@truesolutions.ca> Simon, I would like to re-iterate what both of the previous responders have already stated, give Ubuntu another look. Either the Server Edition or JeOS (Just Enough OS) will almost certainly do the trick for you. Jeremy On 23-Feb-09, at 1:25 PM, Simone wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Which distro is the best for a plain-vanilla samba server running on > a P4? In particular, I've discarded resources hogs (ex., opensuse), > install-everything (current slackware), user-bells-and-whistles > (ex., ubuntu). Hopefully the distro is easy to configure manually > (config files can be manually edited without the automated > configuration tools getting confused or overwriting the edits). > Perhaps an old slackware with current samba binary installed > separately? > > Related, what's a good distro to use as a minimal server base > (including current gcc and other build tools) so that any needed > server apps (samba, apache, whatever) can be built from source? > > Thanks, > Simone > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss From srichard47 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 23 14:49:25 2009 From: srichard47 at hotmail.com (Simone) Date: Mon Feb 23 10:49:46 2009 Subject: [Discuss] samba server distro? In-Reply-To: <49A31643.4060507@langkamerit.com> References: <49A31643.4060507@langkamerit.com> Message-ID: From: "R. Langkamer" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:33 PM To: Subject: Re: [Discuss] samba server distro? > On 2/23/09 1:25 PM, Simone wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Which distro is the best for a plain-vanilla samba server running on a >> P4? In particular, I've discarded resources hogs (ex., opensuse), >> install-everything (current slackware), user-bells-and-whistles (ex., >> ubuntu). Hopefully the distro is easy to configure manually (config >> files can be manually edited without the automated configuration tools >> getting confused or overwriting the edits). Perhaps an old slackware >> with current samba binary installed separately? >> >> Related, what's a good distro to use as a minimal server base (including >> current gcc and other build tools) so that any needed server apps (samba, >> apache, whatever) can be built from source? >> >> Thanks, >> Simone > > > Curious for my own sake, did you look at ubuntu "general" (desktop > edition) or the server edition (they have an alternate install disc as > well)? Ubuntu 8.10 desktop. What's the server like? > -- > > Sincerely, > > R. Langkamer > > cross platform specialist > Mac - Linux - windows > > Langkamer I.T. > on-site/remote tutorials, support & training > (T) 250.391.8972 > (E) ruairi @ langkamerit . com > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From srichard47 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 23 14:57:57 2009 From: srichard47 at hotmail.com (Simone) Date: Mon Feb 23 10:58:18 2009 Subject: [Discuss] samba server distro? In-Reply-To: <83904D08-BB46-4124-8FF7-7FB26EEB535D@truesolutions.ca> References: <83904D08-BB46-4124-8FF7-7FB26EEB535D@truesolutions.ca> Message-ID: Will do. I just had a look at the specs for Ubuntu Server 8.10. Looks good. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeremy Kiffiak" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:29 PM To: Subject: Re: [Discuss] samba server distro? > Simon, > > I would like to re-iterate what both of the previous responders have > already stated, give Ubuntu another look. Either the Server Edition or > JeOS (Just Enough OS) will almost certainly do the trick for you. > > Jeremy > > > On 23-Feb-09, at 1:25 PM, Simone wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Which distro is the best for a plain-vanilla samba server running on a >> P4? In particular, I've discarded resources hogs (ex., opensuse), >> install-everything (current slackware), user-bells-and-whistles (ex., >> ubuntu). Hopefully the distro is easy to configure manually (config >> files can be manually edited without the automated configuration tools >> getting confused or overwriting the edits). Perhaps an old slackware >> with current samba binary installed separately? >> >> Related, what's a good distro to use as a minimal server base (including >> current gcc and other build tools) so that any needed server apps >> (samba, apache, whatever) can be built from source? >> >> Thanks, >> Simone >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@vlug.org >> http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From JeffTREast at telus.net Mon Feb 23 15:39:06 2009 From: JeffTREast at telus.net (Jeff East) Date: Mon Feb 23 11:39:09 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 54, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <20090222200004.472B611E6BB@ladybug.vlug.org> References: <20090222200004.472B611E6BB@ladybug.vlug.org> Message-ID: <1LbkOA-0gm-00@Tortuga> > > I thought I limited my CUPS service to localhost only - that UDP entry > > seems to suggest otherwise. Or is that another oddity of UDP? > No, its not an oddity. Cups is listening on all udp interfaces. For all other CUPS newbs out there I've learned that: udp/631 is for the browsing service, aka "[x] Share published printers connected to this system" - optional Browsing On BrowseAllow 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.0 BrowseDeny hacker.domain.com tcp/631 is web-admin and regular printing - required "Listen localhost:631" --- "If you wanna reach the Co-op, boy, you gotta get by me." From andrewresch at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 17:05:48 2009 From: andrewresch at gmail.com (Andrew Resch) Date: Mon Feb 23 13:05:54 2009 Subject: [Discuss] samba server distro? In-Reply-To: References: <83904D08-BB46-4124-8FF7-7FB26EEB535D@truesolutions.ca> Message-ID: <1235437548.25967.0.camel@fragment> If you just want it to be a fileserver, then you could try FreeNAS. http://freenas.org From Peter at PSDT.com Tue Feb 24 15:07:21 2009 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Tue Feb 24 11:07:26 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> A new box I am trying to bring up repeatedly kernel panics at random unattended moments. I've rebuilt it on Fedora Core 10 once and twice on FC 9 with the same result. At some point when I am not looking, it vomits a traceback ending with EIP udp_pkt_to_tuple nf_conntrack kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt The only correlation I have noticed so far is that this seems only to occur when I have unplugged the monitor. I suspect this is a bogus observation and have left the monitor plugged in this time. The error seems related to networking. Google has suggested only a vague suggestion that I try acpi=off in the boot line. Unfortunately, this has the effect of disabling networking, since it (for some reason) causes it to disable IRQ 16, which is the interrupt for eth0. (That fact took quite some debugging to acquire, considering that the NIC light still blinked on pinging out.) Google has forsaken me on solving this problem so I turn to you... -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From bsirna at pinetreeline.org Tue Feb 24 15:48:02 2009 From: bsirna at pinetreeline.org (brent sirna) Date: Tue Feb 24 11:48:03 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Scott Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:07 pm Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic > A new box I am trying to bring up repeatedly kernel panics at > random > unattended moments. > > I've rebuilt it on Fedora Core 10 once and twice on FC 9 with the > same > result. At some point when I am not looking, it vomits a traceback > ending with > > EIP udp_pkt_to_tuple nf_conntrack > kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt > > The only correlation I have noticed so far is that this seems only > to > occur when I have unplugged the monitor. I suspect this is a bogus > observation and have left the monitor plugged in this time. > > The error seems related to networking. Google has suggested only a > vague suggestion that I try acpi=off in the boot line. > Unfortunately, > this has the effect of disabling networking, since it (for some > reason) > causes it to disable IRQ 16, which is the interrupt for eth0. > (That > fact took quite some debugging to acquire, considering that the NIC > light still blinked on pinging out.) > > Google has forsaken me on solving this problem so I turn to you... > -- > Peter Scott > Pacific Systems Design Technologies > http://www.perldebugged.com/ > http://www.perlmedic.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > Hi Peter, Just wondering if you have run a memtest on your system ? Brent From Peter at PSDT.com Tue Feb 24 15:52:51 2009 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Tue Feb 24 11:52:52 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224155152.03e138d0@mail.webquarry.com> At 03:48 PM 2/24/2009, brent sirna wrote: >Hi Peter, > >Just wondering if you have run a memtest on your system ? > >Brent Yup. -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From jeremy at truesolutions.ca Tue Feb 24 16:09:00 2009 From: jeremy at truesolutions.ca (Jeremy Kiffiak) Date: Tue Feb 24 12:09:03 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: Do you have a spare PCI (or whatever) NIC you could try just to confirm it is the network card? I would recommend that as one of your next troubleshooting steps. Best of luck! Jeremy On 24-Feb-09, at 3:07 PM, Peter Scott wrote: > A new box I am trying to bring up repeatedly kernel panics at random > unattended moments. > > I've rebuilt it on Fedora Core 10 once and twice on FC 9 with the > same result. At some point when I am not looking, it vomits a > traceback ending with > > EIP udp_pkt_to_tuple nf_conntrack > kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt > > The only correlation I have noticed so far is that this seems only > to occur when I have unplugged the monitor. I suspect this is a > bogus observation and have left the monitor plugged in this time. > > The error seems related to networking. Google has suggested only a > vague suggestion that I try acpi=off in the boot line. > Unfortunately, this has the effect of disabling networking, since it > (for some reason) causes it to disable IRQ 16, which is the > interrupt for eth0. (That fact took quite some debugging to > acquire, considering that the NIC light still blinked on pinging out.) > > Google has forsaken me on solving this problem so I turn to you... > -- > Peter Scott > Pacific Systems Design Technologies > http://www.perldebugged.com/ > http://www.perlmedic.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss From Cy.Schubert at komquats.com Tue Feb 24 16:11:50 2009 From: Cy.Schubert at komquats.com (Cy Schubert) Date: Tue Feb 24 12:11:56 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: Message from brent sirna of "Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:48:02 PST." Message-ID: <200902250011.n1P0BoZA016461@cwsys.cwsent.com> In message , brent sirna writes: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Scott > Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:07 pm > Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic > > > A new box I am trying to bring up repeatedly kernel panics at > > random > > unattended moments. > > > > I've rebuilt it on Fedora Core 10 once and twice on FC 9 with the > > same > > result. At some point when I am not looking, it vomits a traceback > > ending with > > > > EIP udp_pkt_to_tuple nf_conntrack > > kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt > > > > The only correlation I have noticed so far is that this seems only > > to > > occur when I have unplugged the monitor. I suspect this is a bogus > > observation and have left the monitor plugged in this time. > > > > The error seems related to networking. Google has suggested only a > > vague suggestion that I try acpi=off in the boot line. > > Unfortunately, > > this has the effect of disabling networking, since it (for some > > reason) > > causes it to disable IRQ 16, which is the interrupt for eth0. > > (That > > fact took quite some debugging to acquire, considering that the NIC > > light still blinked on pinging out.) > > > > Google has forsaken me on solving this problem so I turn to you... > > -- > > Peter Scott > > Pacific Systems Design Technologies > > http://www.perldebugged.com/ > > http://www.perlmedic.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss@vlug.org > > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > Hi Peter, > > Just wondering if you have run a memtest on your system ? Memtest is almost useless on a system that supports virtual memory. You'll exercise the virtual memory system, ie. cause page faults and force pages to be swapped but not test all of physical memory. Memtest86 would be a better bet. It's a standalone memory tester that writes directly to physical memory. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org e**(i*pi)+1=0 From bsirna at pinetreeline.org Tue Feb 24 16:12:08 2009 From: bsirna at pinetreeline.org (brent sirna) Date: Tue Feb 24 12:12:09 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224155152.03e138d0@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20090224155152.03e138d0@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Scott Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [Discuss] kernel panic > At 03:48 PM 2/24/2009, brent sirna wrote: > >Hi Peter, > > > >Just wondering if you have run a memtest on your system ? > > > >Brent > > Yup. > -- > Peter Scott > Pacific Systems Design Technologies > http://www.perldebugged.com/ > http://www.perlmedic.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > Hi Peter, Try disabling your on board network and use a PCI network card. Also forgot to ask did you run your memtest over night ? Brent From dbronaugh at linuxboxen.org Tue Feb 24 16:14:06 2009 From: dbronaugh at linuxboxen.org (David Bronaugh) Date: Tue Feb 24 12:13:52 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: <49A48D4E.9060400@linuxboxen.org> Could be some interrupt insanity. Try turning on/off APIC and maybe try pci=nomsi (that's really farting in the wind though). The other thing that's possible is bad driver for the card. Which card, which kernel, can it be upgraded? David Peter Scott wrote: > A new box I am trying to bring up repeatedly kernel panics at random > unattended moments. > > I've rebuilt it on Fedora Core 10 once and twice on FC 9 with the same > result. At some point when I am not looking, it vomits a traceback > ending with > > EIP udp_pkt_to_tuple nf_conntrack > kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt > > The only correlation I have noticed so far is that this seems only to > occur when I have unplugged the monitor. I suspect this is a bogus > observation and have left the monitor plugged in this time. > > The error seems related to networking. Google has suggested only a > vague suggestion that I try acpi=off in the boot line. Unfortunately, > this has the effect of disabling networking, since it (for some > reason) causes it to disable IRQ 16, which is the interrupt for eth0. > (That fact took quite some debugging to acquire, considering that the > NIC light still blinked on pinging out.) > > Google has forsaken me on solving this problem so I turn to you... From bsirna at pinetreeline.org Tue Feb 24 16:15:16 2009 From: bsirna at pinetreeline.org (brent sirna) Date: Tue Feb 24 12:15:17 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: <200902250011.n1P0BoZA016461@cwsys.cwsent.com> References: Message from brent sirna "of Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:48:02 PST." <200902250011.n1P0BoZA016461@cwsys.cwsent.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Cy Schubert Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [Discuss] kernel panic > In message , brent sirna > writes:> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Peter Scott > > Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:07 pm > > Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic > > > > > A new box I am trying to bring up repeatedly kernel panics at > > > random > > > unattended moments. > > > > > > I've rebuilt it on Fedora Core 10 once and twice on FC 9 with > the > > > same > > > result. At some point when I am not looking, it vomits a > traceback > > > ending with > > > > > > EIP udp_pkt_to_tuple nf_conntrack > > > kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt > > > > > > The only correlation I have noticed so far is that this seems > only > > > to > > > occur when I have unplugged the monitor. I suspect this is a > bogus > > > observation and have left the monitor plugged in this time. > > > > > > The error seems related to networking. Google has suggested > only a > > > vague suggestion that I try acpi=off in the boot line. > > > Unfortunately, > > > this has the effect of disabling networking, since it (for some > > > reason) > > > causes it to disable IRQ 16, which is the interrupt for eth0. > > > (That > > > fact took quite some debugging to acquire, considering that the > NIC > > > light still blinked on pinging out.) > > > > > > Google has forsaken me on solving this problem so I turn to you... > > > -- > > > Peter Scott > > > Pacific Systems Design Technologies > > > http://www.perldebugged.com/ > > > http://www.perlmedic.com/ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Discuss mailing list > > > Discuss@vlug.org > > > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > Just wondering if you have run a memtest on your system ? > > Memtest is almost useless on a system that supports virtual memory. > You'll exercise the virtual memory system, ie. cause page faults > and force pages to be swapped but not test all of physical memory. > > Memtest86 would be a better bet. It's a standalone memory tester > that writes directly to physical memory. > > > -- > Cheers, > Cy Schubert > FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org > > e**(i*pi)+1=0 > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > Hi Cy, Thanks for clarifying that. I was implying that you would run a standalone bootable memory test program. Brent From Peter at PSDT.com Tue Feb 24 17:11:49 2009 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Tue Feb 24 13:11:49 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: References: <200902250011.n1P0BoZA016461@cwsys.cwsent.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224171110.02449e40@mail.webquarry.com> At 04:15 PM 2/24/2009, brent sirna wrote: >Thanks for clarifying that. I was implying that you would run a >standalone bootable memory test program. Yeah, I did, but not overnight yet. The weird thing is that the box has stayed up for a record 5 hours so far while I have left the monitor plugged in...! -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From p.willis at telus.net Tue Feb 24 18:01:58 2009 From: p.willis at telus.net (pwillis) Date: Tue Feb 24 14:01:58 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224171110.02449e40@mail.webquarry.com> References: <200902250011.n1P0BoZA016461@cwsys.cwsent.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20090224171110.02449e40@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: <49A4A696.4030804@telus.net> Peter Scott wrote: > > At 04:15 PM 2/24/2009, brent sirna wrote: >> Thanks for clarifying that. I was implying that you would run a >> standalone bootable memory test program. > > Yeah, I did, but not overnight yet. > > The weird thing is that the box has stayed up for a record 5 hours so > far while I have left the monitor plugged in...! Is the monitor a smart monitor? Does the video card driver handle smart monitors properly? Do you have more than a default video driver installed? Is it a USB monitor? ie: the video card driver detects a smart monitor. You unplug the serial stream from the monitor (or turn it off). The video kernel driver then chokes because it's trying to read a stream that no longer exists and without a proper timeout takes too many ticks...kernel panic. PW. From irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca Tue Feb 24 18:22:39 2009 From: irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Tue Feb 24 14:22:42 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Shaw digital TV Message-ID: We recently took advantage of the Shaw introductory offer of a digital to analog converter for TV. It is now connected to my low-end Hauppauge TV card (the only TV we have in the house) as a cheap way to keep that card going beyond the time (2011) when cable TV will be all digital. You pay $100 + tax for the converter which has a 3-year warranty. Shaw installs it for no additional charge (just got done with that). Furthermore, there are no additional monthly charges at all beyond what you were paying before for analog cable TV. On top of that they throw in the Shaw DIGITAL BASIC and DIGITAL MUSIC services for free (which I don't think were available before). I must say, I really like the Shaw DIGITAL MUSIC service. None of the DIGITAL BASIC channels look that interesting for my tastes which is about what I expected. Preserving the TV access we had to the analog channels for the forseeable future was the motivation here rather than getting access to additional digital content. However, I understood from discussions with Brent and Andrew some years ago that there was an outstanding computer/technical show available for one of the Shaw digital services. If that show is still available and still good, could you remind me which channel it is? I would be willing to pay an additional monthly fee for the Shaw service to get access to a really good show on that topic. Steve Dotto doesn't cut it. This combination of Shaw digital to analog converter + Hauppauge Analog card definitely works well on Linux. In fact, my subjective impression is the channels look better than for the previous analog TV connection. Of course, there might be good digital TV cards available for Linux which potentially would be an even better solution, but I didn't bother researching that topic since this solution is already good enough for the rather limited TV watching we do. BTW, while the Shaw tech was here he noticed we had an old internet cable modem (which I bought years ago). He replaced that for free as well, and my subjective impression is I am getting more speed out of it compared to our old modem. So we are pretty impressed with the Shaw internet/digital TV home service. I was considering the idea of installing a Linux telephony solution on one of our computers to save on long-distance charges, but I finally decided to let someone else take care of it. Thus, a few days ago we also got Shaw basic phone service. That has more features than the Telus basic phone service, good long-distance rates ($0.04/minute in North America and select countries overseas) and a lower monthly fee than we were paying to Telus before. Telus was reluctantly willing to match the long-distant rates and lower monthly fee of Shaw phones, but it was too late; they had already lost us. The Shaw telephone techs even resurrected a couple of our house phone jacks that had stopped working. That's excellent service for something that was part of a free installation. So we are happy with the job that the Shaw internet/digital TV and Shaw telephone crews did and also happy to finally completely get rid of Telus and be an all-Shaw household. Alan __________________________ Alan W. Irwin Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state implementation for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting software package (plplot.org); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). __________________________ Linux-powered Science __________________________ From rgsteele at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 19:12:29 2009 From: rgsteele at gmail.com (Ryan Steele) Date: Tue Feb 24 15:12:32 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Shaw digital TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Alan W. Irwin wrote: > We recently took advantage of the Shaw introductory offer of a digital to > analog converter for TV. ?It is now connected to my low-end Hauppauge TV > card (the only TV we have in the house) as a cheap way to keep that card > going beyond the time (2011) when cable TV will be all digital. You should know that the analog to digital transition in 2011 only applies to over the air (OTA) television, i.e. if you use rabbit ears or an antenna on your roof to receive your television. The cable companies may stop transmitting analog signals over their networks at some point in the future but they are not being mandated to do so by the government, as OTA broadcasters are. The only benefit to getting digital cable is the additional channels and access to pay-per-view and video-on-demand services. Those interested can find out more details about the digital transition in Canada here: http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/oca-bc.nsf/eng/h_ca02319.html > This combination of Shaw digital to analog converter + Hauppauge Analog card > definitely works well on Linux. In fact, my subjective impression is the > channels look better than for the previous analog TV connection. Of course, > there might be good digital TV cards available for Linux which potentially > would be an even better solution, but I didn't bother researching that topic > since this solution is already good enough for the rather limited TV > watching we do. My understanding is that there is no way to receive Shaw's digital channels without using their cable box, as they are encrypted. You can receive the digital music channels if you have a QAM tuner, but they are assigned channel numbers in a seemingly random fashion and are frequently moved around. -- Ryan Steele - rgsteele@gmail.com From mailinglists at sysop.ca Tue Feb 24 14:43:27 2009 From: mailinglists at sysop.ca (Cody Swanson) Date: Tue Feb 24 15:15:02 2009 Subject: [Discuss] samba server distro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49A4780F.5030203@sysop.ca> Freebsd or Debian are my choices when it comes to a stable, lightweight fileserver. Freebsd has all the linux variants licked when it comes to NFS performance. Simone wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Which distro is the best for a plain-vanilla samba server running on a P4? In particular, I've discarded resources hogs (ex., opensuse), install-everything (current slackware), user-bells-and-whistles (ex., ubuntu). Hopefully the distro is easy to configure manually (config files can be manually edited without the automated configuration tools getting confused or overwriting the edits). Perhaps an old slackware with current samba binary installed separately? > > Related, what's a good distro to use as a minimal server base (including current gcc and other build tools) so that any needed server apps (samba, apache, whatever) can be built from source? > > Thanks, > Simone > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > From wmstrome at shaw.ca Tue Feb 24 19:31:16 2009 From: wmstrome at shaw.ca (Murray Strome) Date: Tue Feb 24 15:30:53 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Shaw digital TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49A4BB84.6060908@shaw.ca> Alan W. Irwin wrote: > We recently took advantage of the Shaw introductory offer of a digital to > analog converter for TV. It is now connected to my low-end Hauppauge TV > card (the only TV we have in the house) as a cheap way to keep that card > going beyond the time (2011) when cable TV will be all digital. > > You pay $100 + tax for the converter which has a 3-year warranty. Shaw > installs it for no additional charge (just got done with that). > Furthermore, there are no additional monthly charges at all beyond > what you > were paying before for analog cable TV. On top of that they throw in the > Shaw DIGITAL BASIC and DIGITAL MUSIC services for free (which I don't > think > were available before). I must say, I really like the Shaw DIGITAL MUSIC > service. None of the DIGITAL BASIC channels look that interesting for my > tastes which is about what I expected. > > Preserving the TV access we had to the analog channels for the forseeable > future was the motivation here rather than getting access to additional > digital content. However, I understood from discussions with Brent and > Andrew some years ago that there was an outstanding computer/technical > show > available for one of the Shaw digital services. If that show is still > available and still good, could you remind me which channel it is? I > would > be willing to pay an additional monthly fee for the Shaw service to get > access to a really good show on that topic. Steve Dotto doesn't cut it. > > This combination of Shaw digital to analog converter + Hauppauge > Analog card > definitely works well on Linux. In fact, my subjective impression is the > channels look better than for the previous analog TV connection. Of > course, > there might be good digital TV cards available for Linux which > potentially > would be an even better solution, but I didn't bother researching that > topic > since this solution is already good enough for the rather limited TV > watching we do. > > BTW, while the Shaw tech was here he noticed we had an old internet cable > modem (which I bought years ago). He replaced that for free as well, > and my > subjective impression is I am getting more speed out of it compared to > our old modem. So we are pretty impressed with the Shaw > internet/digital TV > home service. > > I was considering the idea of installing a Linux telephony solution on > one > of our computers to save on long-distance charges, but I finally > decided to > let someone else take care of it. Thus, a few days ago we also got Shaw > basic phone service. That has more features than the Telus basic phone > service, good long-distance rates ($0.04/minute in North America and > select > countries overseas) and a lower monthly fee than we were paying to Telus > before. Telus was reluctantly willing to match the long-distant rates > and > lower monthly fee of Shaw phones, but it was too late; they had > already lost > us. The Shaw telephone techs even resurrected a couple of our house phone > jacks that had stopped working. That's excellent service for > something that > was part of a free installation. > > So we are happy with the job that the Shaw internet/digital TV and Shaw > telephone crews did and also happy to finally completely get rid of Telus > and be an all-Shaw household. > > Alan We recently switched to Shaw phone service, and are generally happy with it, with a couple of caveats: We have had two service outages with it since we switched; we had never had our telephone service fail with Telus. The first I was able to fix myself by resetting the Shaw telephone modem in the basement. The second was more serious, as our internet service had also gone down so I could not even send them an E-Mail. After waiting 10 minutes on hold for a Shaw technician with our cell phone (an expensive proposition), I gave up and drove to a nearby phone booth. Luckily, I took along a lawn chair as my wait time was 28 minutes! I was nearly frozen by the time they finally answered. They were able to fix everything remotely, but I was not very pleased! For long distance, we have Yak as our standard long distance provider ($0.035/minute) but we usually use JustDial ($0.025/minute). That is not much less than Shaw, but it does add up over a year with the hundreds of minutes my wife spends on the phone long distance each month. For a few family members and friends (especially for those spending the winter in Mexico), we use Skype (Skype-to-Skype), which is free. It works fine on LINUX, Windows, and Mac (and between any combination of those). I have not tried to set up a webcam with LINUX, and have found that a headphone/microphone combination works much better than the speakers and any other microphone -- our headset/microphone cost $1.50 at a local dollar store. I do have it set up (with a web cam) on a Windows Vista laptop, but I find the quality of the sound better with the LINUX setup. When it comes to TV, we much prefer StarChoice satellite service. It is less expensive for any given combination of channels and the quality of reception is much better. We have gone back to Shaw a few times when they had special promotions, but were always glad to get back to StarChoice. My son has Bell ExPressvu, and it is not nearly as good, in my opinion (primarily from the service and programming flexibility point of view). Murray From dustin at at88mph.com Wed Feb 25 07:40:38 2009 From: dustin at at88mph.com (Dustin N. Jenkins) Date: Wed Feb 25 03:40:41 2009 Subject: [Discuss] Linux Phone Dialer/Interceptor In-Reply-To: <49A2F5E0.4040307@at88mph.com> References: <49A2F5E0.4040307@at88mph.com> Message-ID: <49A56676.4040405@at88mph.com> I could try Asterisk which was a strong contender. I thought that you needed an actual telephony card (like Quicknet) though, not just a 56K Modem. The vgetty solution was interesting though, thank you! Dustin N. Jenkins wrote: > I'm currently using Fedora Core 8 on a 32-bit AMD Processor and it's > working lovely. I have a serial US Robotics 56K Modem hooked up to it > that my landline (desk) phone runs through. > Is there any software out there that would allow me to use my USB > headset and some kind of software dialer to turn my Linux box into a > telephone using the 56K modem? It sounds weird and the only benefit > I'm really seeking is to have a little notification on my screen for > an incoming call without removing my headset to pick up my phone, plus > I often don't hear my phone while listening to music, or to dial out > without using my desk phone. It'd be nice to be able to do everything > using my desktop computer. > > Any ideas? > Thanks! > Dustin > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss From Peter at PSDT.com Wed Feb 25 08:37:04 2009 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Wed Feb 25 04:37:09 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: <49A4A696.4030804@telus.net> References: <200902250011.n1P0BoZA016461@cwsys.cwsent.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20090224171110.02449e40@mail.webquarry.com> <49A4A696.4030804@telus.net> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090225083214.035d6040@mail.webquarry.com> At 06:01 PM 2/24/2009, pwillis wrote: >Is the monitor a smart monitor? Does the video card driver handle >smart monitors properly? Do you have more than a default >video driver installed? Is it a USB monitor? Not USB. I don't know what a smart monitor is - not having any luck with google there - but it's 9 years old - Sony 19" CRT. I doubt it's smart. >ie: the video card driver detects a smart monitor. You unplug >the serial stream from the monitor (or turn it off). >The video kernel driver then chokes because it's trying to read a >stream that no longer exists and without a proper timeout >takes too many ticks...kernel panic. Makes sense... and the machine is still up this morning. Video card driver is the default for FC 9. -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From Peter at PSDT.com Wed Feb 25 08:56:33 2009 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Wed Feb 25 04:56:37 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: <49A48D4E.9060400@linuxboxen.org> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> <49A48D4E.9060400@linuxboxen.org> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090225083857.035d6180@mail.webquarry.com> At 04:14 PM 2/24/2009, David Bronaugh wrote: >The other thing that's possible is bad driver for the card. Which >card, which kernel, can it be upgraded? Kernel is 2.6.25-14.fc9.i686. Video card is Gigabyte Radeon HD2400 XT PCI-E. I've run two full passes of memtest86. Will get another NIC to try in a couple of days - it's on the onboard one (Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R). The fact that the same thing happened on an install of FC10 on the same hardware nags at me. For it to stay up overnight is a bit of a record, and the video cable is plugged in. I'm going to unplug it and see what happens. -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From bsirna at pinetreeline.org Wed Feb 25 11:33:45 2009 From: bsirna at pinetreeline.org (brent sirna) Date: Wed Feb 25 07:33:47 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20090225083857.035d6180@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> <49A48D4E.9060400@linuxboxen.org> <6.2.3.4.2.20090225083857.035d6180@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Scott Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:56 am Subject: Re: [Discuss] kernel panic > At 04:14 PM 2/24/2009, David Bronaugh wrote: > >The other thing that's possible is bad driver for the card. Which > >card, which kernel, can it be upgraded? > > Kernel is 2.6.25-14.fc9.i686. Video card is Gigabyte Radeon HD2400 > XT > PCI-E. I've run two full passes of memtest86. Will get another > NIC to > try in a couple of days - it's on the onboard one (Gigabyte GA-P35- > DS3R). > The fact that the same thing happened on an install of FC10 on the > same > hardware nags at me. For it to stay up overnight is a bit of a > record, > and the video cable is plugged in. I'm going to unplug it and see > what > happens. > -- > Peter Scott > Pacific Systems Design Technologies > http://www.perldebugged.com/ > http://www.perlmedic.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > Hi Peter, It could be a grounding issue or a static discharge when you disconnect/connect the monitor. Is the monitor and computer on the sample outlet ? Maybe try a different monitor ? Brent From Peter at PSDT.com Wed Feb 25 12:21:31 2009 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Wed Feb 25 08:21:36 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> <49A48D4E.9060400@linuxboxen.org> <6.2.3.4.2.20090225083857.035d6180@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090225121913.035cca00@mail.webquarry.com> At 11:33 AM 2/25/2009, brent sirna wrote: >It could be a grounding issue or a static discharge when you >disconnect/connect the monitor. Is the monitor and computer on the >sample outlet ? Maybe try a different monitor ? Wow, you guys are sure inventive. At the moment they are plugged into different battery backup ports on different UPSes on different circuits. I disconnected the monitor 2 hours ago and there hasn't been a panic yet. Anyone know current level of cosmic ray activity? ;-) -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From bsirna at pinetreeline.org Wed Feb 25 13:11:24 2009 From: bsirna at pinetreeline.org (brent sirna) Date: Wed Feb 25 09:11:30 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20090225121913.035cca00@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> <49A48D4E.9060400@linuxboxen.org> <6.2.3.4.2.20090225083857.035d6180@mail.webquarry.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20090225121913.035cca00@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Scott Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:21 pm Subject: Re: [Discuss] kernel panic > At 11:33 AM 2/25/2009, brent sirna wrote: > >It could be a grounding issue or a static discharge when you > >disconnect/connect the monitor. Is the monitor and computer on the > >sample outlet ? Maybe try a different monitor ? > > Wow, you guys are sure inventive. At the moment they are plugged > into > different battery backup ports on different UPSes on different > circuits. I disconnected the monitor 2 hours ago and there hasn't > been > a panic yet. > > Anyone know current level of cosmic ray activity? ;-) > > -- > Peter Scott > Pacific Systems Design Technologies > http://www.perldebugged.com/ > http://www.perlmedic.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@vlug.org > http://ladybug.vlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > Hi Peter, Having them on seperate UPS could be the issue. UPSes do strange things to generate 120 VAC. About the cosmic rays.. I haven't got a clue but you could always look here: http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/cosmic.html Brent From p.willis at telus.net Wed Feb 25 13:45:40 2009 From: p.willis at telus.net (p.willis@telus.net) Date: Wed Feb 25 09:45:48 2009 Subject: [Discuss] test Message-ID: <1703178.3809.1235598340992.JavaMail.root@priv-edmwes94> test From jabfield at shaw.ca Wed Feb 25 14:12:05 2009 From: jabfield at shaw.ca (John Blomfield) Date: Wed Feb 25 10:10:03 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20090225083857.035d6180@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> <49A48D4E.9060400@linuxboxen.org> <6.2.3.4.2.20090225083857.035d6180@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: <49A5C235.5050802@shaw.ca> Peter Scott wrote: > At 04:14 PM 2/24/2009, David Bronaugh wrote: >> The other thing that's possible is bad driver for the card. Which >> card, which kernel, can it be upgraded? > > Kernel is 2.6.25-14.fc9.i686. Video card is Gigabyte Radeon HD2400 XT > PCI-E. I've run two full passes of memtest86. Will get another NIC > to try in a couple of days - it's on the onboard one (Gigabyte > GA-P35-DS3R). > > The fact that the same thing happened on an install of FC10 on the > same hardware nags at me. For it to stay up overnight is a bit of a > record, and the video cable is plugged in. I'm going to unplug it and > see what happens. This may have absolutely nothing to do with your problem but I have had some very poor experience with Fedora 9 and 10. F10 is better but I have had several bugs show up - not the same as your's I hasten to add. I suggest you go back to Fedora 8 which is rock solid. I personally have moved to Debian because of the bugs in F9 & F10. John Blomfield From Peter at PSDT.com Wed Feb 25 14:34:10 2009 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Wed Feb 25 10:34:15 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: <49A5C235.5050802@shaw.ca> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> <49A48D4E.9060400@linuxboxen.org> <6.2.3.4.2.20090225083857.035d6180@mail.webquarry.com> <49A5C235.5050802@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090225143315.035e68a0@mail.webquarry.com> At 02:12 PM 2/25/2009, John Blomfield wrote: >I suggest you go back to Fedora 8 which is rock solid. I personally >have moved to Debian because of the bugs in F9 & F10. Thanks for the advice. Of course, now that I have a SSH window printing the time every 30 seconds to pinpoint a panic in time, it's not gone down. Old proverb about watched pots I guess... -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From ray_bon at telus.net Wed Feb 25 14:53:49 2009 From: ray_bon at telus.net (Ray L. Bon) Date: Wed Feb 25 10:53:53 2009 Subject: [Discuss] kernel panic In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20090225143315.035e68a0@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20090224150715.0240eeb0@mail.webquarry.com> <49A48D4E.9060400@linuxboxen.org> <6.2.3.4.2.20090225083857.035d6180@mail.webquarry.com> <49A5C235.5050802@shaw.ca> <6.2.3.4.2.20090225143315.035e68a0@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: <20090225145349.459adb00@earth> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:34:10 -0800 Peter Scott wrote: > > At 02:12 PM 2/25/2009, John Blomfield wrote: > >I suggest you go back to Fedora 8 which is rock solid. I personally > >have moved to Debian because of the bugs in F9 & F10. > > Thanks for the advice. Of course, now that I have a SSH window > printing the time every 30 seconds to pinpoint a panic in time, it's > not gone down. Old proverb about watched pots I guess... or in this case, 'watched ports' From bakshi12 at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 09:04:28 2009 From: bakshi12 at gmail.com (J.Bakshi) Date: Thu Feb 26 05:11:41 2009 Subject: [Discuss] idesk configuration tool ? Message-ID: <200902262234.29232.bakshi12@gmail.com> Hello All, Is anyone of you using idesk presently ? I have no idea about its present status. Is there any GUI available to configure the .lnk file ? In my debian lenny apt shows only the idesk itself. I would by happy if there is any GUI ( preferably .deb ) which can configure idesk. Thanks From p.willis at telus.net Sat Feb 28 14:32:14 2009 From: p.willis at telus.net (pwillis) Date: Sat Feb 28 10:31:59 2009 Subject: [Discuss] FYI: Stable READ/**WRITE** linux driver for NTFS Message-ID: <49A9BB6E.9070102@telus.net> Hello, For those interested in moving big USB or firewire drives around between linux and MS Windows, there is a better NTFS driver available for linux at: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ The driver is source so it requires a compile with the usual routine: ./configure make make install The driver requires the 'fuse' kernel module to be installed and loaded. Fuse source is available from : http://fuse.sourceforge.net/ I found that fuse was already part of my Ubuntu 8.04 (hardy heron) kernel. For this reason I didn't need to build/install the fuse driver. To use the new NTFS driver simply use the mount command in a terminal: sudo su mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/my_disk_device /my_mount_directory chown nobody:nogroup /my_mount_directory exit There didn't appear to be a way to format a drive as NTFS in Ubuntu, so this is assuming the drive is already formatted using MS Windows. There!, now you can mount your windows NTFS partitions, sully them, and/or move everything from big drives over to linux. Job done. Ps. There is also a really great EXT2/EXT3 driver available for windows if anyone is interested in that. That may be found at: http://www.fs-driver.org/ Peter