[Discuss] Debian versus Ubuntu

[Lloyd Budd]

On 10/25/07, Alan W. Irwin <irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca> wrote:
> On 2007-10-25 14:12-0700 Lloyd Budd wrote:
>
> I am going to use a new subject for this because I can
> forsee the Debian versus Ubuntu "discussion" started below might get
> interesting. :-)

New subject seems wise, but with the vs it feels very confrontational ;-)


> > On 10/25/07, Alan W. Irwin <irwin at beluga.phys.uvic.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have already decided after a couple years of trying it that Ubuntu is not
> >> really right for my needs since it (rightly for new users) tries to hide
> >> details that might confuse new users.
> >
> > It hides them, but doesn't disturb them, no?
>
> Agreed.  But it is substantial extra work for me (mostly during the install
> phase, but still it delayed the Ubuntu install substantially for me) to
> expose the control I want on Ubuntu.

That seems reason enough -- although of course I was hoping my
argument of using the same tools as the larger audience would carry
the day ;-)

Aside, what sort of control do you expose? (Sorry, if there is already
a thread on this, just point me at it)


> Perhaps more importantly, I like to
> report bugs, and there is always some uncertainty whether the problem is due
> to something Ubuntu did to their selected version of Debian (IIRC a debian
> unstable snapshot that Ubuntu stabilizes over a substantial period of time)
> or something Debian did (or something upstream from Debian).  I far prefer
> to deal with bugs in just one place (Debian) so my bug report effort doesn't
> get wasted in possible finger pointing between the Debian and Ubuntu sets of
> packagers.

> I far prefer (for above reason) to report direct Debian bugs.  Of course, this
> indirectly benefits Ubuntu.

Like reporting bugs? Have the relative pleasure of doing so in the
couple of years since using Ubuntu? And you want to go back to
Debian's primitive bug tracker?

For all of the tension between Debian and Ubuntu, I think they have
both done a brilliant job staying true to their missions and working
together. And working together to solve problems. I think from a
technical perspective the lines will continue to blur, and Gobuntu
moves it all the closer.

The benefit of submitting bugs at Ubuntu is that it is easy to follow
the problem to resolution at Ubuntu, Debian, and further upstream --
where ever the bug actually lives and equally see it fixed in each
system.

Cheers,
Lloyd